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Why the hate for Apple products?

As more users become active on TechSpy, I have noticed that many show this unrelenting negativity towards Apple products. With the news of Macs being susceptible of viruses, many people have shown a "HA IN YO FACE" attitude towards people who own Mac products and frankly, I don't understand why there is so much hate for all things Apple. Is it insecurity or are they just misinformed? Or maybe it's just fanboyism and blind assumptions from the other side.

I'm not exactly an expert on Apple products but I have had a few of my own. The iMac G3 in 1997 was my first foray into Apple. Back then I was still a kid and didn't think much of it. Then in 2000 my family had a Power Mac G4 Cube, the one that looked like a tissue box. This was where I really started to get into Apple. Mac OSX was beautiful to me compared to the clustered Windows XP that was on all of my friend's computers. Next in 2001 was my first iPod. Fanboy or not, you can't deny the revolution Apple brought with the MP3 player and their effect on the music industry. Ever since then I've had an iPod on me at all times.

Since those first Apple products came into my life, I've had a more insightful look at the industry and the philosophy behind tech, be it software or hardware. I've had a few MacBook Pros, three including my 2010 Macbook Pro 13in, and many iPods including a 1st gen Mini, 2nd gen Nano, 4th gen Nano, 6th gen Classic and finally a 2nd gen Touch. For a short while I also had an iPhone 3G but has since switched my phone over to Android since the HTC Dream (T-Mobile G1).

Why have I owned so many Apple products? Could you say that I'm just blind, buying into Apple's never ending trap of rehashes? I believe it's more than that. As some of you may know on N4G, I am what they call a "PC fanboy" but really, I just think of myself as a "PC connoisseur" that is properly informed of what's going on. I will continue to be bitter towards consoles until they can show me something that blows my mind. So far with this current gen of consoles, that hasn't happened. PC is the future as far as I'm concerned. So you're thinking with my mindset why would I ever like Macs?

Physical Design: I'm a simplistic man. I strive for minimalism in everything. Apple products have a robust and solid feeling to their products; where Windows laptops and All-In-Ones have plastic everything, Apple goes the net step and uses a full stainless steel unibody design that just feels right to the touch. No more lifting the lid and hearing hinges crack because they are plastic. Another thing that makes Apple laptops so great is the keyboard layout and the feel of typing on them. The low-profile, uniform membrane keyboard feels responsive.

OSX Software Design: At its core OSX is simple yet robust Unix OS with a beautiful interface over top, there is nothing to hate about it. Everything is where it should be and powerful enough to get the job done. People who say software designed for OSX is not as good as Windows programs does not know crap about coding. It's lightweight and fast. From the time I start to open my MacBook to the time its fully open, all running programs have started and the screen is as where I left it. No pesky waiting for OS to start up again. OSX is light on RAM but powerful and uses hardware to the fullest.

First-party Software: For the average user, OSX first party software for photos, music, videos, etc.. are much more user friendly and visually pleasing than Windows. The interface is easy to navigate and follows Apples mantra of simplicity. So far I've yet to come across a program that functions the same while looking a quarter as beautiful as GarageBand. I mix and record music on my free time and I love the simplicity of GarageBand. On Windows I use Fruity Loops (or more commonly named FL Studio) but that just isn't the same. Apple's first-party software for OSX is fully functional while pleasing to the eye.

Third-party Software: This is where things kick into overdrive. Programs like Aperture, Better Touch Tool, Cocktail, DeepVacuum, AppFresh, NewsFire RSS, etc.. go above and beyond anything you could find for Windows. I use Better Touch Tool to its fullest for my Magic Trackpad. Aperture is probably the best photo editing and arrangement software. Super features but keeping it ultra simple like iPhoto.

Hardware components: Many people say that this is one of Mac's biggest weaknesses, and they would be right.... 5 years ago. Now Apple has integrated the latest hardware into all their lines of products. Things like Thunderbolt, though I've never used it, is said to be amazing. The amount of data that can travel is really ridiculous and opens up many opportunities for future products and hardware arrangement. Macs also support Quadro and Firepro professional graphics cards for Blender and other apps. A 5870 can also be configured into a Mac and that is no slouch. Steam for Mac is taking off with more games coming to Mac that utilize the hardware that people have.

Price: This is where things start to get shaky, as this is also the biggest disadvantage of Apple products. Luckily, my family could afford to get Apple products and since I've moved out I've kept buying them with my own money. It's just a choice I make for amazing products. The hardware+software and everything in between is worth the tall price in my opinion. Keep in mind I'm also one to spend upwards of $1000 on PC components too so splurging is not exactly rare for me. Yes, Macs can be expensive but you definitely get what you pay for and you can feel the quality of hardware and software.

All in all, there are many things to love about Apple products and then there are things that are not so great. What's great is really, really great and what's bad is a 'not-so-bad' bad once you take into account of everything else you get. My sole reason for getting Macs is because of the design choices Apple makes to ensure a great product that will last for a long time. I'll continue to love Apple products alongside my PC so I can never understand why people feel like they need to berate ALL Apple product owners to the extend of sounding ignorant. I'm going to guess 90% of haters have never used a Mac or iPod. If the community would open its eyes then we could all get along, one big happy tech loving family.

LOL. Like thats going to happen..

Syko4718d ago

Great blog Toaster and a fair and honest assessment.

Well for me there is no "hate" towards Apple in particular because I have never owned a single Apple product. No joke. I have played with and of course know people that own these products and I have thought they were good but never interested me because of the way I use my PC/Phones. I have never used iTunes and have no need to ever use it. So that in its self negates the need for an iPod and to a lesser extent an iPhone.

As for Macs it really comes down to my familiarity with Windows and PC that makes me have no desire to go over to using a Mac. The third party software such as video and music editing are top notch on Mac and you would be a fool to argue otherwise...but since I don't personally have a need for such programs it is of little difference to me in the end.

With all this said on my personal reasons for not needing or using any Apple products. All of my friends and family consult to me before making any purchases in the Tech world. I have often recommended Apple products based on the needs and uses of the person asking me. If a friend has a MacBook for school and has their entire music library through iTunes and asks me "What phone would you recommend me getting? I have heard good things about Android." I would tell them about why I love Android and how I use my phone but at the same time I would ultimately recommend an iPhone4 as the compatibility is going to be exceptional among his other Apple products and better suited to his overall needs.

It is really the same thing you see on N4G with the PSN users that talk down on Xbox LIVE without ever using it for more than maybe an hour it is easy enough to spot an uninformed opinion on something like that and if you have never used the product you should probably spend some quality time with it before projecting an opinion on it.

So while most of that is just rambling lol...I have no "Hate" towards Apple I just find all my needs met by other products and have never got caught up in the "ZOMG NEW APPEL PRODUCKS!!" Fervor...I do however respect what Apple has done to change the everyday tech we are currently using and pushing the envelope to open doors to better products all around.

Syko4718d ago

On an unrelated note, I would be lying if I didn't love the whole Apple iPhone4 antenna debacle. That was such a joke and the people that STILL bought it after knowing about it are Sheeple. I still love yelling at my iPhone fanboy buddy about not holding the phone a certain way or making sure his "antenna Fix" cover is on tight. ha ha.

fatstarr4718d ago

Ill speak for myself, in response to your first paragraph, there are tons of apple users who I consider yuppies and not really computer savvy but they talk like they know it all And That I can’t stand. They are always pushing it in anyone's face what their apple products can do together and how superior it is etc, it really pisses me off. I personally have a vendetta against apple for lots of reasons I admit it and I have no shame. To each his own, but there are limits. And also I don't like that company one bit for ruining gaming and almost brainwashing millions there (but that’s another story).

Some think that the iPod is the only thing in the world that is capable of playing music, I dislike that mindset. or the store issue which is, when you want to buy something for a non apple product but the only thing the store has is accessories for apple products and gadgets that are nice but they only work with iPods/touches/phones etc that frustrates me.

On a side note you literally have almost every apple iPod product, but why? You hit the nail on the head. You might be a little brainwashed but everyone is in some way.

osx isn’t all that, in my experience programs that were made for windows running on a mac crash and especially in my hands. I dj and for me my computers handle torq, serato and traktor perfectly I know my machines limitations but when I use my friends macs or the radio stations Macs , I get errors, crashes and sound distortions and a lot of configuring has to be done to get it to work right. Maybe I don’t know the limitations of a Mac because I don’t own one. I push windows to the extreme a lot and I expect their os to keep up with me but it just doesn’t it just frustrates me. Then with the actual computer I can’t tell then it’s off or sleeping. Then I can’t close programs properly in one shot, I X em and they just sit in the dock.

fatstarr4718d ago

I can crash a system running Macs os faster than I can on a computer running windows sometimes. Sure windows isn’t perfect but neither is osx. But from all the talk you hear you would think that osx is flawless.

Then in the gaming arena, windows beats macs in gaming hands down. For something I can accomplish on a budget build id have to pay maybe 2-3 times more for a mac. Lots of games aren’t Mac compatible.
Windows has tons of 3rd party software… if anything 3rd party software is what makes a windows system.
Vlc, media monkey, media player 123. Quick time doesn’t even compare to vlc. Then you have a slew of programs that are excellent and free. The only problem is finding them a casual windows user may never find them but experienced windows experts do, and then we also customize windows because Microsoft lets you do that, hell I can tweak the registry and make so many changes to windows that apple wouldn’t dare let you do.
Then you have Microsoft first party products which essentially run the world. Ex Visio, Microsoft office access and other programs that are standard in the office space.

When I was working years ago on help desk I worked with an idiot that claimed that Mac servers out do windows and linux servers and do a better job. He had to be trollin me on that one I almost broke out laughing. To this day I don’t know what led him to that belief.

Apple you buy it and you buy a majority of the software, Windows you can get everything for free and easily. I like that option.

I can go on and on and on but I’ll just end it there, it’s not even the tip of the iceberg
If apple products weren’t expensive I wouldn’t really care but they are selling their product like it’s the best when it’s not.

Count me as one of those that just don’t like apple because I’m on to them.

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If the community would open its eyes then we could all get along, one big happy tech loving family.
If the community would open its eyes...."
lol something a mac person would say but I get where your coming from

toaster4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Of course there will be elitists from both sides. A lot of the people I work with are not like this however, and we use Win7, Linux and OSX depending on the task. I'm not saying OSX is superior to windows, I'm saying it has its benefits. Like you said, it definitely isn't flawless. I've been using both Windows and OSX extensively for a long time and know the little quirks that are present in both. Sometimes what I want to do is easier done in OSX, and sometimes it will be easier in Windows. Linux isn't really part of this discussion, but if I were stranded on an island I'd choose Linux over the other two! Anyways, I don't understand how Apple has ruined gaming in any way. They are just trying to integrate it more. Slowly but surely. Steam on Mac is a big step forward into getting Macs more "gaming" oriented and will make them appeal to a larger group of people, or people who already have a Mac and would like to try gaming without spending much on getting a dedicated Windows machine just to test it out.

To be fair, I've had a few other MP3 players other than Apple. I've had a Zune once, and a couple from Sony and Creative Labs. In my opinion iPod just works better, is friendly to use and working with iTunes, everything just clicks into place. I agree about the store issue though, most stores will carry cases/accessories made for iPod, or generic sleeves for everything else. For example, my Milestone is in a generic sleeve, because it's very hard to find cases for Android phones in my region. The fact there there are hundreds of different handsets doesn't help, and finding a case designed for a specific handset is hard to come by, especially if the phone is older.

You are right about crashing as well. That's why i tend to buy programs designed for Mac because programs ported from Windows tend to suck, lol. On a performance standpoint anyways. It's definitely not as stable as a native OSX program. I've never had problems recording music on Mac. A lof of the issues you have are common, and also easily fixed with a little research, as with any software related problem. You can't tell me Windows doesn't have those little annoyances too.

I think I have a bit more insight into Macs that the average Mac only user because I also run Windows and Linux machines. I know about the third party software like VLC that utterly destroys anything on OSX or Windows. MS first party software like Word may be common, but again, there are other (read: better) alternatives to EVERYTHING MS. In this day and age, there are open source alternatives that put first party software to shame. LibreOffice for one, I've been using it since the beginning and OpenOffice before that. It's just so much more functional, and without having to deal with Microsoft's install keys and authentification. Google Docs is pretty powerful as well, for a web based word editing. I find myself using that more than anything these days when it comes to typing up docs.

fatstarr4716d ago

I think they ruined gaming on the handheld front with the ipad and ipod and iphone, they have these flash games passing for real games causing bs articles and statistics and facts being made about how iphone gaming is going to dominate regular gaming how angry birds is superior to any full priced ds or psp game, and that is really gonna mess up the landscape for handheld gaming in the future. on the os side they have steam but that's about it.

as for music i know ipods work better than a lot of stuff but i refuse to use itunes or any apple products on my computer because apple products screwed me over in the past deleted my music collection twice , bsod me and did some copyright protection think on my music collection so i couldn't use it on any computer it was annoying.

i think i will make a store called everything but mac, a general tech store where we will carry accessories for every gadget except apple products because you can go to the corner store in nyc and pick up ipod wires and chargers.

ive found that solving problems are easier on windows, medium difficulty on macs and dead ass hard on Linux that's from my it career, its pretty easy to get around tons of Microsoft authentication and installation keys except for the os. i stuck with open office it was nice but my grammar isn't the best so what i typed there had to be saved in rtf so i could run it thru office, its a pain but i have my self to blame for that, now i use both. I tried Google docs but i don't see my self using it for anything except to edit blog posts or something.

WildArmed4715d ago

I need a tl;dr version jerk face D: lol

fatstarr4715d ago

tl;dr apple ruined gaming because they tried to pass apps like angry birds off as full fledged video games.

apple dominates the music industry and it pisses me off

im making a everything but apple store

its easier to do things with windows and you get more customization and freedom with windows over mac

Aussiegamer4717d ago

I think you should have worded things differently in this "blog" and maybe changed a few things around. Starting from your first paragraph.

"Is it insecurity or are they just misinformed?", I actually think this is a very naive comment, because from my understanding the mac hate actually comes from people that are more informed then the rest of the public, most of the mac hate comes from tech savy people that understand what they are using and what it is suited best for. Not a 15 year old girl that says, "oh mummy can you get me the nice shinny white computer"

"Mac OSX was beautiful to me compared to the clustered Windows XP", you gotta be trolling me their bro, xp was one of the best os's that has ever been released if not the best, it was simple, it was stylish and it worked, not only did it work so well on personnel computers, integration into businesses was fantastic.

"I will continue to be bitter towards consoles until they can show me something that blows my mind. So far with this current gen of consoles, that hasn't happened". This is by far your most retarded comment in your whole article. Uncharted 2 has won over 100 awards and set the standard for 3rd person shooters and is only available on consoles, and such games as LBP, GOW and many others that are only available on consoles.

"I'm going to guess 90% of haters have never used a Mac or iPod", and I think your 100% incorrect, I think that most of the hate comes from guys that have used macs and ipods and their annual same thing the call a iphone and have realized they have been caught in Apple fantastic marketing scheme and at the end of the day thats all it is. I have used a imac for marketing, I used to own a iphone 3gs, I also used to own a ipod classic, the only thing I like was the ipod classic, the imac was shit and made easy tasks to freaking difficult, ios bored me and the only good thing about it was the app store and yes the ipod does do well what it does well.

Sahil4715d ago

"you gotta be trolling me their bro, xp was one of the best os's"

Yup, we all agree but MacOSX is also something special just like the windows XP

fatstarr4715d ago

No man dont dare compare mac osx to windows xp. windows xp is one of the best operating systems yet. it required such low specs and it did so many things. i think still in 2015 i will still have one computer in the house with windows xp its that good. mac osx beats vista thats about it.

Sahil4715d ago

macosx beats windows vista and windows..

and equal to win-xp, just my opinino :)

Aussiegamer4715d ago

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRROFL.

Lucky its just your opinion.

Sahil4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

I really don't know why people really hate apple, yes, I agree that they have copied some of the stuff but who doesn't nowadays, the competition has grown on to become so intense that companies are even trying to sue other companies in order for them to stop and not be a part of it.. paypal suing google for some BS reason, It's just that they are scared of it, that's it. I really love the apple products, my iPhone, my Macbook pro, I recently shifted from windows because it was killing me, the viruses n all and as far as the mac is concerned, i haven't had a single problem with it.

I really like the approach of apple products, their design is unique, you have the app store, more and more features launching.. I was just a little concerned about their high prices but after using MBP for 6mo, I think it's totally worth it, I find mac better than windows, the only thing it needs is more software developers.

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