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Xbox Game Pass is even more valuable with next-gen games at $70

Next-gen games may be going up in price across the board, and that just shines a spotlight on the value and critical role Xbox Game Pass will play for Microsoft during the Xbox Series X lifecycle.

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RazzerRedux1393d ago (Edited 1393d ago )

The quality of the GP library doesn't get better (not that's bad), but the value is certainly highlighted with higher game prices. Once MS first party picks up some steam then GP will really become a major player in the gaming economy. Assuming the price doesn't increase, of course.

Kerppamaister1393d ago

It's already a major player. More than 10 million subscribers. And growing.

RazzerRedux1393d ago

Not really when you take PC gamers into account. PC is where I really expect some major expansion when MS first party starts coming on board.

bouzebbal1392d ago

Uhmmm no idea how people can subscribe to this thing.. It's download only, no streaming. And no online part unless you have ultimate.

kenmid1392d ago (Edited 1392d ago )

@bouzebbal what are you talking about?

Sol4ris1393d ago (Edited 1393d ago )

@RazzerRedux

""The quality of the GP library doesn't get better""

In your opinion!
You should not make silly assumptions, unless you developed an ability to travel "back" the future.
Better yet, try and look at GP in an impartial way, rather than skewed console wars view 😉 .

porkChop1393d ago

I think you've taken his quote out of context. To me it looks like he's saying that while the quality of games on game pass doesn't increase because of higher AAA prices, the service still benefits because higher prices make Game Pass an even better value.

RazzerRedux1393d ago

@porkChop

Thank you. That is exactly what I said.

@Sol4ris

", but the value is certainly highlighted with higher game prices."

You missed that part somehow. You also just ignored where I talked about how first party will make GP a "major player".

Kavorklestein1393d ago (Edited 1393d ago )

Even if the price went up to 20 dollars a month, you're still getting an amazing deal for online and access to 100+ games some of which are incredible deals.
Metro Exodus is an incredible AAA title Deliver us the moon is a great new indie, Soul Calibur VI is a good new addition, Dishonored 2, Kingdom Hearts 1.5 2.5, and 1.8 and 2.8 and KH 3 are on Gamepass, and KH3 + ReMind are on sale for game pass subscribers. Sniper elite 4, Red Dead Redemption 2, ALL the Halo games, including Both Halo Wars, and All the Gears titles, Forza Horizon 4 which is arguably the best racer I've ever played, (all the forza horizon games are incredible) Plague Tale, Devil May Cry 5, Minecraft, Minecraft Dungeons, Alien: Isolation, Alan Wake, Ark: Survival Evolved, all the Fable titles, Batman Arkham Knight, Middle Earth Shadow of war, DayZ, Dead By Daylight, Elder Scrolls online, Hellblade, Hollow Knight, both Ori games, Journey to the savage planet, Metro 2044 and Last Light Redux, No Man's Sky, The Outer Worlds, Ryse, Sea of Thieves, both state of decay games, subnautica, Wasteland 1, 2, and 3, the Witcher 3, 2 Yakuza titles, World war Z, and tons of Indies that are hidden gems etc.. etc.. I mean there is almost endless playability and value in what is in Gamepass right now, and what was in game pass before! Doom 2016 and Fallout 4, and Prey took their turns on the service already, let alone the value of what is to come.
Almost all these games have had or often have a sale associated with their DLC's or to owning you enjoyed what you already played while it was on GP.

I told you earlier today in a different thread that I feel like Gamepass is looking more and more attractive, especially If the new 70 dollar price point for next gen games is gonna be a real thing. And now others everywhere are seeing the writing on the wall for what it is. PC, xbox, and who knows? Maybe Xcloud may get bundled in or simply add 5 bucks to Gamepass ultimate? These things are real, they are happening, and I believe they are going to explode bigger and better than any doubters or SonyONLY fans ever were willing to admit. Now I'm also a Huge Sony and Nintendo fan, (my gf and I own 2 xboxes, a PC, a ps4 pro, a nintendo switch and a switch lite) but I just think MS and Phil are legit ahead of the curve and the misconceptions, and soon everyone will see how forward thinking the company really is.
Sure, they struggled with consistent 1st party content for a good part of this generation, but I am 95% confident those days are behind us.

I say it's time to be cautiously optimistic and hopeful, and not doubtful and pessimistic. This is an exciting time to be a gamer because if MS can lead the way with some good gaming value for our hard earned dollars, then maybe Nintendo will quit rehashing and remastering, and Sony may feel more inspired to so something to add even more value to their subscriptions or services.

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Axonometri1393d ago

Just a penny... This one single game being priced could be the one chosen to taste the pond water.

timotim1393d ago

I said it before and ill say it again. Its launch day of your favorite new next-gen console and youre already about to drop $400-500 on the hardware itself, but we all know it doesnt stop there. What good is the hardware without next-gen software to go with it. So you buy maybe 3 AAA games at whats looking now like $70 A POP! You add maybe 1-2 more indie games to go along with it at $15-30 a pop and add an extra controller incase someone comes over to play along with. Youre now talking anywhere from $700-800 dollars BEFORE tax!!! Thats a lot of bread.

IMO...Microsoft is the way to go here. Even if the SX is $500...I can pair that with XGP for $10-15 or even $1 (for some) and get 100s of games to play including Halo Infinite and every other first party title Microsoft releases and get an abundance of AAA and indie games for my new SX on #DayOne! My second controller for my new SX can and will be my current X1 controllers I already have!

This simply can not be beat and saves the gamer a ton of money.

EasilyTheBest1393d ago

TimoTim, this is exactly my way of thinking. When I bought an Xbox One X earlier this year it was mainly for Gamepass. I didn't have to pay out another ton of money on games I could just pay a monthly fee.
The first few months payments were worth it for Forza Horizon, I played that to death & even bought the extras.
Plus I use Bing for all my internet search so I get enough Microsoft points to get 6 months of Gamepass for free.
Gamepass is incredible value.

timotim1393d ago

Ive been saying it for a while now...the benefits of XGP really starts to show its worth next-gen. There is no better value in gaming right now.

chiefJohn1171393d ago

Right and for many those launch exclusives will be free cause ppl like me got to sub thru next year for cheap.

r2oB1393d ago

If people are going out buying AAA games at retail cost that means they want to play them as soon as possible. Subscribing to Gamepass isn't going to benefit them because most of those AAA titles that they would spend money on aren't going to be available on launch. You are kidding yourself if you think big AAA games from third party publishers are going to be available on Gamepass day one, even Assassin's Creed isn't available on Gamepass day one and they have a deal with Microsoft. Even Microsofts first party games haven't been worth the asking retail price of Gamepass. It's been out for 3 years now, at the asking price of $10/month for 36 months that's $360. Even being available day one, Microsoft hasn't released first party games that justify that cost. The only reason people are raving about Gamepass is because most of you guys got it for dirt cheap. Gamepass is good for people that don't mind playing old games, a bunch of indie games, and mediocre Microsoft first party games day one (with the exception of Forza being a superb series). And I don't want to hear about the value of Gamepass being unreleased games that you have seen zero gameplay of from unproven studios. Xbox fans love to mention "upcoming game from studio xyz" as if that means anything. Even Halo Infinite doesn't get the benefit of the doubt since that franchise has been a shell of itself for the better part of a decade.

Imortus_san1393d ago

"It's been out for 3 years now, at the asking price of $10/month for 36 months that's $360. Even being available day one, Microsoft hasn't released first party games that justify that cost"
- I Stoped there, you cant get more dumb then this.

timotim1393d ago

Sure...they want to play them...that goes without saying. I'm talking about how much money XGP can save the gamer though...getting more for you buck sorta speak. XGP has over 10 million subscribers...youre telling me it wouldn't benefit anyone??? Anyone at all? What about the big AAA games from Microsoft themselves? That doesnt work? Youre telling me Forza Horizon 4 (92 rating) isn't worth the asking price? Youre telling me Ori 2 (90 rating) isn't worth the asking price? Youre telling me Gears 5 (85 rating) isn't worth the asking price? Heck, even Sea of Thieves is among the top played games on Steam right now...clearly gamers have been paying for that just fine. If Microsoft only ships TWO AAA games at launch for SX...thats at least $120 saved, no? $120 that could be used for other games, no?

"Gamepass is good for people that don't mind playing old games, a bunch of indie games..."
What about the concept of EVERY first party title on XGP dont you understand??? Is Streets of Rage 4 an old title? What about Gears Tactics? Minecraft Dungeons? Blair Witch? Are those old games too? And just so you know...one of the biggest games that came out of the PS5 event is an indie game! Its called Kena and gamers everywhere is salivating over it waiting to play it! And guess what...not only is it an indie, its also cross-gen! Choke on that for a minute.

"And I don't want to hear about the value of Gamepass being unreleased games that you have seen zero gameplay of from unproven studios."
LOL...Ninja Theory, InXile, Obsidian, Playground Games...these are all award winning studios my friend, what are you talking about?

I'm sorry, but I dont buy your theories buddy. Everything you said sounds suspect to me.

r2oB1393d ago

@ imortus_san

You’re trying to insult someone’s intelligence, yet misspelled “stopped” and used “then” instead of “than”. I’m sorry if you can’t comprehend basic math, or don’t understand the value of a product or service should be based on its suggested retail price and not it’s giveaway prices (otherwise that’s basically saying it’s not worth the MSRP).

@ Tim

How is it saving the gamer money if the AAA games they want to buy for $70 aren’t available on Gamepass? If anything it would be an additional expense. For example if I wanted to play Cyberpunk 2077 (or most upcoming AAA games for that matter) how would Gamepass save me money? Even if Gamepass has 10 million subs, 95% of them are paying a fraction of the $10/month MSRP. That speaks volumes to its perceived value. And I didn’t say Gamepass wouldn’t benefit anyone, it just won’t benefit people looking to buy and play most AAA games because most the games won’t be available on the service.

And no, the three games you named are not worth spending $10/month for. If those were the games Microsoft released these past three years (during the tenure of Gamepass) that are of high quality then it would have been cheaper to just buy them at retail than to spend $10/month over the same time period ($160 vs $360). If you try and counter with the fact that most people don’t pay $10/month for Gamepass or you can just subscribe during the launch month of these games to save money, then yes the gamer is saving money, but you are devaluing Gamepass as a service. You can’t talk about the immense value of something while simultaneously circumvent paying for it. Because what you would be saying is Gamepass isn’t worth $10/month, it’s actually worth $10 for the specific months Microsoft releases first party games, that’s a huge distinction.

And in regard to the unproven studios comment I made; Microsoft has about 15 studios, correct? Two are known for Forza (top tier studios), two are known for Halo and Gears (albeit many people consider the franchises degraded when these studios took over), Ninja Theory is a good studio (I really like them), and Obsidian did an great job with Outerworlds. That’s six noteworthy studios, but what about the other nine? What high quality games have they made that warrant people assuming their upcoming, unseen titles are somehow going to boost Microsoft’s first party line-up. That’s what I was referring to when I said Xbox fans love to mention “upcoming game from studio xyz”. Why bother mentioning them with little to no track record or actual game footage.

NeoGamer2321392d ago

I have played DMC5, Dishonored 1&2, 2 Yazuka games, Final Fantasy XV, Just Cause 4, all three Metros, Gears 5, Wolfenstein 2, Middle-Earth, both Ori's, and the Outer Worlds on GamePass since day one of gamepass without buying any of them. Normally, I would've bought them so GamePass has saved me tons of cash on these games. And almost all these games I had played within just a few months of release so they weren't on any mega sales yet.

r2oB1392d ago

@neogamer232

You named 17 games, 6 were available with a few months (3 are Microsoft IPs so obviously day one). That leaves 11 games available on Gamepass years after release. So your claim of playing almost all the games you listed within a few months of release is false.

Dishonored 1&2 available on Gamepass 3 and 7 years after release. Three Yakuza games available on Gamepass 3-4 years after release. Final Fantasy XV available on Gamepass 3 years after release. Metro 1&2 available on Gamepass 4 and 8 years after release. Wolfenstein 2 available on Gamepass 2 years after release. Middle Earth available on Gamepass 2 years after release. Ori and the Blind Forest available on Gamepass almost 4 years after release.

You said you would have normally bought theses games, yet you didn’t despite them being out for years prior to being available on Gamepass (some came out years before Gamepass was a thing). Sounds suspect to me. It actually seems like you had no intention of buying these games and just played them because they were available on Gamepass (which is ok). Seems like you just said that to be able to say Gamepass saved you money from buying these games, when you actually weren’t.

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sushimama1393d ago (Edited 1393d ago )

It's not confirmed that all games are going to cost $70 at all. But for the sake of the argument lets they they will be, the majority of gamers will still not get onto gamepass. Things are going to go along like they always have. I honestly believe that.

But is gamepass great value? Of course it is. For some people it's a really good fit. For others, it's not a good fit at all. I mean the vast majority of Xbox fans are not subscribed to gamepass. But you know, props to Microsoft for making GamePass. The value is undeniable. Congrats to the people that enjoy it.

chiefJohn1171393d ago

When an annual low effort basketball game is $70 I have little hope others won't follow

timotim1393d ago

I agree...not every launch title will make it into Game Pass...that wasnt my point though. We know every first party Xbox SX game does though...my point was that XGP will help a ton with the upfront cost on launch day, allowing gamers that would have spent that money on Halo Infinite and others to play those game without paying for them outright. That money could then be saved or redistributed to buy more/other games.

I also think Microsoft will do a great job having a fair share of SX launch titles in Game Pass on launch day. We all know sales aren't the best for 3rd parties on launch because the consoles is just getting started and userbase isn't quite where it will be say after the first year...this is why many 3rd parties opt to release cross-gen games so that they can target a large pool of gamers and not just those who buy the new consoles. Game Pass is actually perfect for these studios because it allows everyone to sample your game. I think early on many devs will opt for Game Pass as it gets more eyes on their game and even potentially causes the game to increase in sales because of those eyes.

King_Noctis1393d ago

"For others, it's not a good fit at all"

I am really interested in this part, why do some "others" not find Gamepass a good fit and a great bang for their buck?

STARS1393d ago

Because the majority of games on there are shit in comparison to other console offerings.

Petebloodyonion1393d ago

@Stars
I guess you never took time to look at Gamepass offering
Streets of Rage4 released day 1 and praised by the industry
Red Ded Redemption 2
A Plague tale innocence
DMC5
etc...

sushimama1393d ago (Edited 1393d ago )

The feeling of another subscription sucks for lots of people.

Also, there is an innate feeling among some that, they want to play what they want, when they want and for whtever time they want. There's a feeling like you're on the clock.

Also, the same problem can potentially arise like back in the day having a 'chipped' PS1 and 50 games to chose from, you end up not playing much at all because you are spoilt for choice. Not giving a game the time it deserves. But if you buy just a single game or 2, then it's much easier to play them and really get a lot of enjoyment out of it. Does that make sense? Personally this would be a big problem for me. It's not like I'm tight up for cash either.

gigzamillion1393d ago

Maybe they just have no interest in xbox games in general.

timotim1393d ago

@Sushimama

XGP already has over 10 million subscribers...that number should only increase once xCloud is added to it.

King_Noctis1393d ago

“ Also, there is an innate feeling among some that, they want to play what they want, when they want and for whtever time they want. There's a feeling like you're on the clock.“

Understandable reason. But this is why this service is called a subscription and is optional. You can always buy any games you want outright and get discounts, provided if you are a GP subscriber.

“ Maybe they just have no interest in xbox games in general.”

GP features both first and third party games. I don’t think people hate third party games.

FGHFGHFGH1393d ago

Most good games are played for several months or even years. So if someone plays say HALO online for a year, using gamepass would cost him $120 or $180 if he used gamepass ultimate. The #1 game on xbox live is fortnite, which is free. What does xbox gamepass have that competes with it? Do you think if gamepass becomes the norm for xbox users, that you will still have access to great free games?(that are better than any game ms offers)

King_Noctis1392d ago

"The #1 game on xbox live is fortnite, which is free. What does xbox gamepass have that competes with it? "

Oh so now all of a sudden Fortnite become the greatest game ever that no Xbox games can be better? I can think of hundred of other games that are better than Fortnite. Being #1 doesn't mean quality.

"Do you think if gamepass becomes the norm for xbox users, that you will still have access to great free games?(that are better than any game ms offers)"

Forza Horizon 4 and Ori, both of which got 90+ on Metacritic aren't good enough?

FGHFGHFGH1392d ago

Forza isn't free. I guess fortnite isn't exactly free on xbox either. Also RIP GWG, since ms will need any decent old 3rd party games on gamepass

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sushimama1393d ago

@ timtam, but it'll never be the majority of gamers, let alone the majority of Xbox Gamers.

Not mention another reason is most still like Physical games. That's another reason.

timotim1393d ago

It doesnt have to be for everyone...no subscription every is...but its clear that millions do see the value in it. And just like other subscriptions...these are simply OPTIONS that consumers willingly opt into. Physical discs are also nothing more than just another option...one thats dropping in popularity by the day...so much so that Sony decided to follow Microsoft and make an All Digital Edition PS5...

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