630°

Is PlayStation ready to compete against Google’s Stadia?

"Google took the gaming world by the storm with its Stadia announcement. This idea is by far something completely revolutionary. Streaming games have been alive since the days of OnLive and Gaikai. The impressive part comes from the fact that Google indeed has the capital and infrastructure to make this work. With robust competition in the streaming market, is Playstation ready to compete against Google’s Stadia?" -- PlayStation Enthusiast

Read Full Story >>
playstationenthusiast.com
IRetrouk1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

Would it not be the other way around? Seeing as its playstation who currently has the biggest game streaming service? Sonys working on updates as we speak, they said as much, if anyone thinks Sony sees Google and micro coming and is just sitting there is in for a shock.

anonymousfan1860d ago

I wonder if tomorrow's "state of play" is timed precisely to show off Sony's streaming service

IRetrouk1860d ago

Not a bad shout tbf, although they did say it would feature games, both unannounced and show off ones we know about too, excited for it but keeping myself in check😂

fr0sty1860d ago

Why show it off in a public event when we can all play it right now?

IRetrouk1860d ago

Well I mean they would have to hype the upgrades and also roll them out, one good thing is that Sony has a hell of a lot of data to work with, which can only lead to improvements, also the roll out of any upgrades will probably happen quick, they already have a very good base to work off. Its input lag I want to see an improvement in the most, it kills racing games for me, which I would play the most to be honest.

crazyCoconuts1860d ago

I don't think so. I think they'll be quietly getting something ready but will wait to play their hand. Competition hasn't really revealed anything useful about pricing model or anything. I'm sure they'd like to know what they're up against before making adjustments.

Ju1860d ago

Sony could just make every PSN game you own available on PSNow (and integrate the cloud saves better). Bam. Thousands of games available right away. This doesn't even cost them a dime. And then, merge PSNow subscription into a PSN+ version and make all free PSN games PSNow games (which in fact it already is).

+ Show (2) more repliesLast reply 1860d ago
battlegrog1860d ago

Clearly you dont understand the back end of this business. Its the infrastructure and technology which sony has neither. The only way sony can compete is if they are renting servers all over the world because they dont have that structure and have a huge cloud team working on making this work. Theres 2 reasons why ps now is not hugely popular. They are using a small tech company sony bought up and the service is not even close to being good enough.Plus they decided to only go in a random selection of games library compared to choosing what games u want to buy to stream. So for the sake of sony i hope that is exactly what they will do. They could team up with Amazon maybe since google is going in on its own. MS has the structure, the tech and the library. So they have a very strong place hold in this cloud concecpt

IRetrouk1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

What a load of crap, ps now is bigger than all 3 of eas services and ms gamepass, it's the only working streaming game service, how has it not got the structure or tech if it's been working from 2014?🤣🤣 they payed for onlive, that alone gave them over 140 patents and other bits of tech, they also bought gaikai or whatever it was called, they have plenty of tech and servers, ps now works fine, its input lag that puts me off, and guess what? Input lag will always be present, no matter who does the streaming, basically your whole post is a diehard xbox fans rant😂

rainslacker1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

It's funny how people really seem to know what kind of server space Sony has to run PSNow. They don't have the technology. They don't have the servers. Sony's been running PSNow for a while now. It works. They obviously have the technology. They obviously have the server space. If they need more, they can buy them, or rent them. Hell, they could rent it from MS or Google if they wanted to. Or they can do what they're already doing and partner with RackSpace.

One may not understand the back end of the business, but you haven't done anything to prove Sony isn't capable, or doesn't have the server availability. Nothing points to them not having it. Sure, MS and Google have more, but it's not like they're dedicating all that space to these services.

Ju1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

Funny that they cite "the infastructure" when all other 2 main competitors explicitly say, they are putting custom servers in their data centers. MS builds custom XB1S blades, and Google a dedicated x86/10Tf server. Sure, if they can interface with the rest of their data centers to do some processing, that's an advantage, but why even bother putting custom (!) HW in data centers then? All PSNow servers are custom PS3/PS4 blades. What's the difference? I tell you, from a business standpoint, nobody will clog up expensive CPU resources with games nobody will pay for when you can charge per cycle for any compute resource in the a data center.
I have the feeling some here think all this will come free for a $10 subscription and no additional cost. Guess again...those $60 per game need to come from somewhere... also, for games to really work you need dedicated instances per gamer. Even if they just play a game for 5 minutes. You need to have the HW available instantly. That's significantly more grunt than say stream 100 (or so) video streams from the same node at the same time (or something). And then you probably cover 10% of the market.
As long as the games run on dedicated HW (and don't offload loads of stuff to the "cloud") all those are, are just "remote consoles". All one needs is a warehouse close enough to a fat fiber pipe and you are good to go. Doesn't matter if that is owned by google or not. Google and MS pay for real estate like anyone else - no matter if they own the place or just rent it.

rainslacker1859d ago (Edited 1859d ago )

@Ju

In theory, blade servers could be networked in a way where unused processing time can be distributed to other systems. Not every game is going to use all the power all the time. That'd be highly inefficient to actually have a single blade server for any given potential concurrent player count. I think the Blade servers are not quite what some people assume. Same with the one's on PSNow. They will have multiple processors running in tandem, and each processor will be more powerful than the allotted 10TB.

They're still expensive, but distributed computing is nothing new. It's how Cloud already works, and while I don't have spec details on any of these services, it's the most reasonable assumption to make. It's also the most versatile and upgradable solution for expansion, as they wouldn't have to replace all the servers when more power becomes necessary.

The above solution is the only way that these services would be viable that I can think of. The cost of a blade server, even a basic one, would require quite a lot of users per unit on the subscriber base to make a return. Like a few hundred or more assuming a $20/month fee, or them just taking a cut of individual sales....not to mention the bandwidth costs involved if Google is talking about 25-30Mb/s data throughput. They'll also have other costs associated with the service, and assuming a sub model, the cost to license all those games, or potentially developing their own if they're going that route.

uth111859d ago

they can scale up as needed or rent from a public cloud. They've had a decade to work it out. The main reason it ian't bigger is the demand for streaming just isn't there

+ Show (2) more repliesLast reply 1859d ago
rainslacker1860d ago

You'd think so. PSNow has been out for what....6 years? Has the bulk of the game streaming market.

I'd say Google is about as prepared as they can be, but Sony hasn't been sitting around doing nothing all these years despite what people think.

Starman691860d ago

Google will be begging sony for a PlayStation App on their machine, not the other way round. Luckily they have a good relationship with one another.

Alek831859d ago

Exactly! Playstation is an established brand, Stadia is not.
I did a stress test weekend for Stadia and it was not great.

Even discarding the random crashing, the input lag was not pleasant to deal with.
Maybe once everyone has gigabit internet.

opc1859d ago

I think the issue is that PSNow requires at the very least a PS controller and the PSNow client. On the other hand Google simply requires Chrome and a google account, something billions of people already have.

subtenko1859d ago

google has better servers I think but its PS with the exclusives

fundy1859d ago

With you on that one. Google is entering an arena dominated by consoles like PS4. They are the ones that need to equip themselves with everything they got. Not too worried here.

+ Show (5) more repliesLast reply 1859d ago
Jin_Sakai1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

They’re the only one of the big companies that’s had a game streaming service of scale up and running for years. I’m sure they’re also improving the service behind closed doors as we speak. On top of that they own all the patents from Gaikai and OnLive for game streaming.

Sony also have the advantage of putting their world class exclusives on PS Now if they choose which would be a huge incentive for the service.

PS Now is fine.

https://www.notebookcheck.n...

IRetrouk1860d ago

Another thing I noticed, playstation has had a streaming service since ps3, never was it seen as revolutionary or the next step in gaming, infact certain fans of a certain console actively downplayed streaming games and ps now any chance they got, soon as Google and micro want in it's a different story, while I dont like streaming games myself I do find the latest 180 funny.

battlegrog1860d ago

buying up a small cloud company and not having the infrastructure nore the service that can properly provide what will make it works is not a 180.Theres a reason why sony raced that little company to the market. Theres a reason why its not main stream. they dont have the structure behind it

IRetrouk1860d ago

Its bigger than gamepass, and all 3 of eas services, how has it not got the infrastructure behind it? it was 2 companys they bought by the way, not one, the point is it worked on ps3 and works on ps4, it was never seen as the next big thing till now, and was actively talked down, so yeah defo 180. Microsoft nore Google will solve the input lag, it will always be there, that's what I dont like about streaming and why I dont subscribe, but trying to say that the company that already has the working product, since 2014 I may add, is the one that needs to compete with the company that hasn't is crazy talk, ms has all the money in the world, did that stop playstation from being dominant?

ILostMyMind1859d ago

Like VR. Wait for Microsoft to decide to do so.

NarutoFox1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

If you show this link to that certain group they'll deny it 😂

https://www.notebookcheck.n...

Godmars2901860d ago

EA has three separate streaming services?

IRetrouk1860d ago

Yeah this likes to be ignored, especially lately🤣

T2X1859d ago

Never understood fools not accepting facts. The reason Sony never truly went all in on streaming is because there is no need to. I like having the option, but I also like having my console in my house.

rainslacker1859d ago

More than just EA. Although they're the only publisher oriented one I know about. There are quite a few of these services around the world....and I have a feeling many people around here are blissfully unaware of it. Heck, I had ATT cable for a while, and they have a game streaming service. This was about 7-8 years ago. I believe Time Warner does too. From what I can tell, they kind of suck, and have limited content, but they're there. There's also that one that serves hotels whose name I don't know. So on and so forth.

Not sure why people think this is really something revolutionary, or what Google and MS are doing are going to be any better than the rest. They may be more successful since they'll market it left and right, but marketing doesn't always pay off. Google will leverage YouTube and instant access to games from those streamers, and the streamers will promote it because it'll likely make them money. MS really has no such advantage other than Windows, but if they push it like they push XBL or the Windows Store on Win10 right now, I don't expect they'll get much from that, because they don't make it intrusive like they used to do with similar companion products.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 1859d ago
CaptainCook1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

"Sony also have the advantage of putting their world class exclusives on PS Now if they choose which would be a huge incentive for the service."

Can you play new triple A games on PS Now like Assassin Creed? Nope.. You'll have to wait 5 years for Sony to add games that's limited to 720p via streaming, while Google offers 1080p to 4k streaming.

IRetrouk1860d ago

At the minute Google offers nothing but words, same as ms, Sony has it working right now...

JesusBuiltmyHotrod1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

lol..that is just a business decision. Sony does not now because they dont need to. SEE GOW, Spiderman sales....Once the market dictates they want it sony will do it..Thats the diff between MS, and google and sony..Sony is smart enough to not try and push this on consumers until it is feasible globally...

There is a bog world outside your little american bubble.

uth111860d ago

They could easily develop exclusives for PS Now. They don't do it now because there's no competative advantage to do so.

I'm sure we will see them up the resolution as well

rainslacker1860d ago

Until you know the price of playing world class AAA games day on on the service, I don't know if it's worth bragging about. If they charge full price day one, then what's the point? It's unlikely to be part of a sub service, because Google isn't going to spend all that money to get all those exclusives day one, or even real early.

krauley1860d ago

Do blockbuster movies come out straight to the streamers like netflix, hbo and the like before they show up at the theaters? Nope... youll have to wait until they make the rounds at the theaters to make the money then they go to the streamers. Kind of makes sense to do it that way doesnt it captain, just like sonys blockbuster games.

Ju1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

I would think the business model is there to protect the HW platform. But I can imagine, that will shift quite a bit; especially since Sony makes most of its money from network services lately, anyway. They might just build that PS5 not only as a console but also to stuff it into their data-centers. It's not a technical limitation. They could allow you to play PSN games - the ones you pay full price for - to become available through PSNow. That's even the perfect time right now when the PS4 hw market flattens and it won't cannibalize console sales much any more. I would be OK with that - well, I would prefer to roll PSNow subscription into PS+ then, but this is all business and has nothing to do with tech. They have every single game on PSN today, at launch. So storage isn't the issue.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 1860d ago
fragock1860d ago

that headline is an Early April fools joke

CaptainCook1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

No, PlayStation Now is currently limited to 720p, while it still needs a high Download Speed.

Vasto1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

Not only is it 720p but it has a lot of old games that are mostly PS3, bad image quality and horrible input lag. Thats why nobody uses it.

What Google showed is already better than PS Now. Microsoft's will be even better.

IRetrouk1860d ago

Sony has the only one working, Google's had what? One test? Micro is gonna be better? How? It used a fake forza vid to promote what they are trying to sell, and after the way ms pr has been, who's actually believing what they are saying?? Crazy xbox fans man😂😂

bluefox7551860d ago

Sure, but those PS3 games are by and large better than anything being offered by Google or MS. Even if you just compare the streaming services and ignore the rest of the console, Sony has a far superior software library.

Vasto1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

Oh, and I forgot PS Now is $19.99 a month!

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

IRetrouk1860d ago

I know, good value for what they offer isn't it, while I dont subscribe myself my wife's does, she absolutely loves playing all those older games she missed out on, for the record I dont like streaming, i play mostly racing and fighting games with RPGs thrown in for good measure, the input lag is too noticable with those types of games.

Razzer1860d ago

"but it has a lot of old games that are mostly PS3"

Vasto suddenly doesn't see the value in "old games". LOL

ShadowWolf7121860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

Nobody uses the service that's responsible for 52% of game streaming revenue?

Jin_Sakai1860d ago (Edited 1860d ago )

@Vasto

“Not only is it 720p but it has a lot of old games that are mostly PS3, bad image quality and horrible input lag. Thats why nobody uses it.”

“What Google showed is already better than PS Now. Microsoft's will be even better.“

No one will solve the latency problem. There’s also video compression and macroblocking. Streaming will always perform worse than a local experience.

In the end PlayStation fans will continue to enjoy the best exclusives in the industry on a physical console while also having PS Now as an option.

Ju1860d ago

I still want to see proof that those games are 720p. And even if they were, I can't see it...everytime I hear this I go back and check. Maybe I need my eyes checked then. What did google show, what PSNow can't do? Switching from one device to the next? Sony had clients for all kind of devices and scrapped those - who knows maybe it'll be back. All they showed were words and some 30fps 1080p game. What else? Nothing really worked at that show. All talk. And all MS is trying to do has been tried before. Well, but hey, sure, Kinect is not eyetoy, either. Now they want to force console developers to add extra effort into their games to makes sure those games work on mobile devices. LOL. That has been done before and failed miserably. There is a reason there is a console market - one target spec. Not 100.000 screen sizes and controller schemes. I mean, if that would be so easy, we would have seen ton of games on mobile platforms already. That's just stupid to believe now that MS is promising the world, all of a sudden this will work. And, frankly, google rookie has no idea. We've already been there. Philly boy must have forgotten that.

NarutoFox1859d ago (Edited 1859d ago )

Vasto

At least they got a bigger library of games 😁 .

Microsoft will be better? Here we go again. I've heard this before lmao

+ Show (6) more repliesLast reply 1859d ago
Razzer1860d ago

PlayStation is more than just PlayStation Now.

ginsunuva1858d ago

Most PS3 games output at 720p anyway so that's why

italiangamer1860d ago

Is Google ready to compete against Sony's Playstation?

How naive (or dumb) can people be thinking Sony isn't doing nothing to improve PS Now and the whole PlayStation ecosystem?

anonymousfan1860d ago

Yup spot on. I am personally not ready for streaming myself but I suspect tomorrow's "state of play" presentation might have to do with those improvements. Especially with the timing... Stradia, xcloud being on everyone's headline.

Cueil1860d ago

It's not that Sony can not compete its that MS and Google have a massive advantage that Sony simply can not make up for. It's the reason NVIDIAs service needs to partner up with others to compete.

Cueil1859d ago

Sony doesn't have massive infrastructure they own all over the planet.

wolokowoh1859d ago

Actually Sony has a digital distribution network all over the planet just like Microsoft does and Google does. If your point is that Sony's isn't as big, that's perfectly fair, but Sony does already have infrastructure in place and the capital to expand that infrastructure, especially through contracts with other could based companies. Considering Stadia has some requirements that will be a barrier to entry, Sony will be fine making its dollars off the niche, while they are getting ready and cloud is still catching on. They have time before they even have to compete

Ju1860d ago

Another multi billion $ company already tried...and didn't work. Next!

Show all comments (152)
280°

Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

Read Full Story >>
theverge.com
darthv721d 7h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle18h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188115h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio15h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning7710h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga17h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv723h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218316h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga15h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan11h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit4h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus2310h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv7210h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 3h ago
purple10120h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos19h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-9h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac19h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10118h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos18h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic16h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead9h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 9h ago
Show all comments (39)
80°

Razer Kishi Ultra Review - Remote Play and Mobile Gaming Goes XL

PSLS writes: I have traveled across the country using the Razer Kishi Ultra in airports and hotels for both PlayStation Remote Play and mobile gaming in general, and I am thoroughly impressed.

Read Full Story >>
playstationlifestyle.net
150°

Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 16h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken1d 3h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 12h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 12h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 12h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 8h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 11h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 11h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

Show all comments (14)