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Online pirates could face 10 years in jail

Online pirates could face jail terms of up to 10 years under plans being considered by the government.

headpress3203d ago

I will pay only for a good movie in the cinema, but for a basic/normal movie that doesn't deserve to be in the cinemas I will not pay just to watch it.

ZoyosJD3203d ago

Don't try to justify it.

Content creators and theaters don't make movies available with the intention of them being "basic/normal" enough to pirate.

If it's not worth your money then don't watch it. It's asinine to say something isn't worth your money, then go and spend 2+ hrs. of your time watching something that took the creators 100's of hours and thousands to millions of dollars to make.

tacomonster3203d ago

The problem is that this law may have the intention of only being used to go after the people who sell it on the street or steal it from the manufacturing plant. But, it will be used to prosecute the one guy who downloaded one movie and got caught. Also I feel there is a growing raise for content and less money to be made by the consumer. Cost of living continues to go up while no one is getting raises to offset the increase.

While mega corps are bragging about record profits and its never enough. Aren't we all already in jail anyway? 10 years does not constitute piracy.

iTechHeads3203d ago

"If it's not worth your money then don't watch it."
-How about no? We can watch whatever we want, bro. You think that whether we download something free or paid makes a fucking difference?

Do you really think average Americans who barely get by with a weekly paycheck should be concerned that Hollywood isn't making their $20 from your pirated copy of a movie? WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

These creators you're talking aren't broke. They're rich. They're famous. They WILL make more movies. They WILL get way more money than the average Joe ever will. Again, why should I care if I didn't pay for my copy of a the insanely successful AAA blockbuster of the year?

The truth is that "pirates" are completely harmless to this industry but if given a chance, you could actually monetize these pirates. Nothing is stopping FOX/Disney/Marvel/Univesal/Wha tever from putting these movies online themselves and monetizing them with ads.(Think: Hulu)
Nothing is stopping these companies from putting their movies on Netflix at the same time that they release on DVD. But no, they don't do this, they likely never will because piracy isn't that big of a concern. They're obviously not losing enough money to consider changing their business model.

freshslicepizza3203d ago

if only we could take this attitude with everything. that way we can only pay at restarants where we like the food, the rest we get to eat for free. if i don't like a particular airplane company we should fly for free.

awesome way of looking at things, thanks for the tip! i will now leave my wallet at home and only return to the retailers and service providers if i feel they deserve my money.

iTechHeads3203d ago

You are free to try that yourself and see what happens.

It's not comparable to bits of data being shared on the free and open internet though.

You know these companies could create a Hulu-like service where they offer new movies for free but monetized with ads and they every single pirate in the world would instantly become a new source of revenue.(Offer an Ad-free service for a monthly fee and they could make even more money)

People pirate a movie online because they don't think its worth the price of a Blu-Ray or DVD. Because it takes too long to be on Netflix or some other streaming service they're paying for.

The problem here is these corporations failure to innovate and keep up with the needs of consumers. If it wasn't for piracy, NETFLIX WOULDN'T EVEN EXIST.

freshslicepizza3202d ago

@iTechHeads
"It's not comparable to bits of data being shared on the free and open internet though."

why, because you can do it anonymously and hide in the shadows acting like your actions cause no impact because you are not in direct relation to the vendor?

"You know these companies could create a Hulu-like service where they offer new movies for free but monetized with ads and they every single pirate in the world would instantly become a new source of revenue.(Offer an Ad-free service for a monthly fee and they could make even more money)"

yes but we are talking about content that still holds value that many are willing to pay for. not old content.

"People pirate a movie online because they don't think its worth the price of a Blu-Ray or DVD. Because it takes too long to be on Netflix or some other streaming service they're paying for."

the real answer is because they can. you can try and validate anyway you like but what you are suggesting is entitlement, nothing more. we are not talking about access to clean water to survive, we are talking about entertainment which is driven for profits. you have taken the position to leech off such content only because you can.

"The problem here is these corporations failure to innovate and keep up with the needs of consumers."

who are you to suggest the value when you yourself did not invest in the first place? once again the industry is not driven by charity, it is driven to be profitable and sustainable. if everyone showed up at the movie theatre and said i will only pay for movies i think are worth it how long do you think those theatres would exist? instead you are riding off the coat-tails of those who will pay to be entertained even if they are unsatisfied after seeing it. that is the risk they take. you are risking nothing. so what exactly are you contributing to the industry to keep it afloat? nothing.

"If it wasn't for piracy, NETFLIX WOULDN'T EVEN EXIST."

it's amazing how you go from point a to point b just because it sounds good.

this whole thing can be wrapped up in one sentence, people pirate because they can.

pompombrum3203d ago

10 years jail time? I've seen rapists get off with less.

As a former pirate from back when I was a teenager, it just seems unnecessary to pirate movies now. A combination of my sky subscription and netflix pretty much has all my movie needs covered.

Pogmathoin3203d ago

No money in rapists, so not seen as serious.... Money is lost in piracy, and thats important.

N83203d ago

I couldn't agree with you more. That's the way of the world money over anything else.

Aldous_Snow3203d ago

Money isn't lost if it wasn't gained in the 1st place

blackblades3203d ago

The government is f'ed up all around the world. This right here is really messed if it happed cause Pirating isn't hurting anyone physically so it shouldn't be 10 years definitely because of a $20 movie. I don't care what country it is I do not agree with this and I'm pretty sure 80% of usa and UK citizen don't agree with it.

ironfist923203d ago

Introduce Netflix quality services around the world, then you fight piracy legitimately.

FreakyFox3203d ago

Media companies are still around, still moving forward still producing the goods and still growing and still making millionaires.

When they talk about taking it from 2 to 10 years sentence, they are talking about these people who host and distribute piracy, because it would mean thousands of people behind bars, because they cant afford these shiney things the system keeps throwing at them.

A 1000 people behind bars for years or out in the world paying taxes on the other pruducts like food and cloths etc? Do the math, and thats why this can not go ahead.

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ajax172408d ago

They spent almost half a million dollars just to be proven wrong! Lol, I guess I'd be embarrassed enough to hide those findings as well.

But seriously, it's pretty screwed up that the EU would try to hide this information.

Cobra9512407d ago

It doesn't gel with the dominant narrative. It removes the justification for the state to destroy lives in the name of stopping piracy. Screwed up, you bet. Surprising, no.

ajax172407d ago

I meant surprising to *them*.

They were hoping to find piracy would be harmful. Rational people like us already knew it wasn't harmful.

Cobra9512407d ago

"Main conclusions
"In 2014, on average 51 per cent of the adults and 72 per cent of the minors
in the EU have illegally downloaded or streamed any form of creative content,
with higher piracy rates in Poland and Spain than in the other four countries
of this study. In general, the results do not show robust statistical evidence of
displacement of sales by online copyright infringements. That does not
necessarily mean that piracy has no effect but only that the statistical analysis
does not prove with sufficient reliability that there is an effect. An exception is
the displacement of recent top films. The results show a displacement rate of
40 per cent which means that for every ten recent top films watched illegally,
four fewer films are consumed legally. People do not watch many recent top
films a second time but if it happens, displacement is lower: two legal
consumptions are displaced by every ten illegal second views. This suggests
that the displacement rate for older films is lower than the 40 per cent for
recent top films. All in all, the estimated loss for recent top films is 5 per cent
of current sales volumes."
https://cdn.netzpolitik.org...

So the worst effect is to new movies, and even that is just 5% overall--just a *little* bit lower than the 100% effect the industry claims (i.e., every illegal download is a lost sale).

The game and media distributors have been hammering into the collective consciousness that piracy is the same thing as theft. This study suggests a very different reality, one that does not surprise me at all. While still clearly wrong, piracy in no way rises to the level of outright theft. That lie has been outed now.