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Google's Stadia Represents A Genuine, Real Threat To Xbox, PlayStation And Even Nintendo

There are many extant questions surrounding Google Stadia, but it seems that game streaming finally represents a genuine threat to Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo and the idea of the game console that has largely held since the NES.

Nitrowolf21857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

I’ll wait until it releases for it to be in more real world setting, cause unless they can overcome data speeds, caps and such here in the United States, it’s gonna have some big hurdles to go over

piroh1857d ago

Not only that. Its all about games, there is no threat without games. Google should buy EA or Activision to stay in the business

Palitera1855d ago

They surely can make a lot of partnerships.

But cloud gaming won't get rid of input lag probably for decades.

bouzebbal1855d ago

No single player no couch coop I think home consoles still have a bright future.

darthv721855d ago

@bouz... you can play pretty much any game SP if you really wanted to. Some are just better with others though. couch co-op can still work with this. Two people playing in the same room, on their own screens, each with their own controller.

Baza1855d ago (Edited 1855d ago )

I wanna know what their solution is for connection drops. Nothing is more frustrating than when your hardwired 200MB/sec connection drops and your game lags then kicks you out. And WiFi is even more unreliable. Consistency will be a big problem for Stadia.

bouzebbal1854d ago (Edited 1854d ago )

@darth: you gotta be online to play.. You stream, you don't download. Games are all running on a data center somewhere.

I think you are missing something.

darthv721854d ago

@bouz, you are online right now commenting. You mean to tell me that when you play your ps4 or xb1 or pc that you are completely off the grid?

I play a lot of SP games but my systems are connected to the internet. We live in a connected world... it's just the way it is.

lazyboyblue1854d ago

This is my fear. Google coming in and muddying the water for everybody.
Hypothetically, say they buy CD project red.
We still get whatever they make (after cyberpunk which is tied to a publisher I believe) but we have to play it with artefacts, compression and a ton of input lag.

F**k that.

fr0sty1854d ago

Stadia is PlayStation Now with a crappy controller. It isn't threatening anybody but itself.

WombBat1854d ago (Edited 1854d ago )

All of you make great points.

My reasons why it will fail:
- Terrible input lag
- image quality drops
- abrupt stuttering/buffering
- distracting resolution dips
- lack of exclusives
- invasion of privacy (that's how theyll achieve a low price point)
- not necessarily owning your games library (they can lock your account if you post something against their ideology)
- pushing their leftist agenda (instead of remaining apolitical).

Overall, it is a fair statement to say that a streamed version of a game is an inferior version of the game. As it's base, a streamed game can only deteriorate more and more given the network circumstances, and to compensate for that, they bank on convenience, tangential features, and sharing to offset that. But, the game experience itself is what matters most. It's why Xbox changed Game Pass to allow for games to be downloaded and played instead of just streamed.

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rpvenom1855d ago (Edited 1855d ago )

Is it just me or the journalist at Forbes always has the dumbest opinions when it comes to gaming..

stuna11855d ago

No it's not just you who feels that way lol. Forbes should just stick to what they know best.....It definitely isn't gaming.

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Palitera1855d ago

They are so bad in their articles that I resisted believing they are THE Forbes magazine...

rainslacker1855d ago

@gamingunited

Their gaming stuff is not really part of their financial magazine. It's a contributor type of deal, where people can post their articles, and get paid either by forbes, or based on the hits they generate. The writers are forbes are usually some of the most clueless people out there, and if they were trying to make a financial analysis based on it being forbes, they are extremely bad at their job, because they should have been saying at the start of this gen how MS screwed up, and Sony was running away with the show, as everything was obviously pointing to that. Instead, they instigated plenty of click bait to try and bring Sony down.

There is no impartiality in their gaming news or opinion pieces, and investors don't care about people's opinions, just facts.

So, when I think of forbes as a financial magazine, it actually makes no sense that this kind of crap is even on there. I doubt these writers are so successful they have a huge portfolio to begin with. They're just journalistic hacks who don't care about actual journalism.

demonicale1854d ago

Why? they have a point with this!

indysurfn1854d ago

@gamingunited Your point on! Finally someone else understands. And now maybe they will understand Patcher's articles and opinions too.

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tehpees31855d ago

I think people are underestimating Google when they compare this to On Live. Google have as much cash as MS and if they could make their brand successful Google can do the same. Beating out the others depends on how many embrace game streaming but I think anybody who thinks this will die is in for a rude awakening.

Chromebooks have been beating out other laptops in the past 2 years so do not underestimate the hype men from Google.

2pacalypsenow1855d ago (Edited 1855d ago )

Lol Chromebooks cost $200.

Google going against SONY/MS/Nintendo is like Chrome OS going against Mac OS and Windows.

It doesn't stand a chance, it might coexist, but will not replace it, plus the United Sates doesn't have the infrastructure for this to be mainstream, also Google seems to forget people have data caps.

tehpees31855d ago (Edited 1855d ago )

"It doesn't stand a chance"
Said the Sony sceptics who believed trying to implement disc based media would never happen after Sega failed to do it (including Atari and Rare).
And the Xbox sceptics who believed a console from Microsoft would never work.

Yes, believe it or not Sony WERE being met with scepticism when they first entered here.

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UltraNova1855d ago

So if money is the solution to everything , why hasn't MS won any console gens so far?

When will people learn...

demonicale1854d ago

Exactly. someone who get's it!

DogJosha1854d ago

@tehpees3

I've never heard people say those things for Sony or Microsoft, but I've definitely heard it for Ouya, Steambox, Kinect, VR, and so on. Believe it or not, a lot of us actually analyze a product before bashing it. When some of us expect something to fail, there is a reason, and plenty of reasons have been listed that needs to be addressed.

SuperSonic911854d ago

BTW Shuhei Yoshida was there at the keynote which suggests that he has some official business there too unlike Uncle Phil who was not there.
Google and Sony are up to something.

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porkChop1855d ago

Yeah, that's the key thing. Stadia has a ton of potential, and the capabilities are pretty cool. But it all comes down to how well it actually works in the real world. If Google's smart, they'll do a public beta during the summer.

HighPlayer281855d ago

Facts the company that executes cloud streaming will have an advantage in the stream wars and my money is on cloud azure master Microsoft.

rainslacker1855d ago

If google's stadia represents a genuine threat to the console makers, then so does PC gaming, and even mobile. Both have more people playing games on them than all the console makers combined. Even if we discount mobile because it doesn't have the same kinds of games, PC gaming does get a lot of the same games as consoles, and even more.

But, PC and mobile haven't caused the console sales to go down. So, all the punditry about how they were going to take over was just wrong. Same way this is probably wrong, or at least it will be a good long while before the market shifts that drastically.

Nitrowolf21855d ago (Edited 1855d ago )

I think the big difference here is that this is more so a shift in the kind of Media you play rather than what you play on. I mean we went from cartridges, to CD to dvd, than to blue ray and saw a significant leap in digital media. Maybe perhaps this is just the “next” step, take away the download and just stream it. Like we saw with movies- Film reels, VHS, DVD, blu-Ray, digital, streaming

That is probably where the concern is coming from tbh. They’re taking away any form of content that you can store locally either physical based of downloaded, and handing all ownership to the supplier.
Pc and Mobile is just another platform/device that offer games.
Sadly if this is where we are heading, I won’t have apart of it. I like having the option to own my content locally and hate the idea of streaming a video game. Even though I do have PS NOW, I’m in the market of rebuying a cheap PS3

We know Microsoft is gonna push for this, Sony without a question is gonna overhaul PS Now to compete.

Nintendo is semi doing it in japan already for third party games (assassin creed origin) so it wouldn’t be a surprise if they continue to expand on it either

rainslacker1855d ago

It's a step in a new consumption method. It has it's advantages and disadvantages over other options.

I don't consider the move from carts to optical media, and in some cases back to carts, as a major change in the way people consume the media. It's just a different storage medium.

Streaming isn't a storage medium, but an actual new way to play games.

I think the concern is really just doom and gloom so people can get hits for their site. Streaming will have an audience. It may succeed wildly, it may fail miserably. It isn't going to replace traditional gaming for the foreseeable future, and with all the Big 3 making consoles for next gen, it's probably not something we have to worry about for at least another 5-7 years, if one wants to be pessimistic about it.

There can only be so many successful streaming services, and if say MS or Sony fail at theirs, or need to drop out, their only options are to try and keep the traditional alive, or go to software only.

AzakUK1855d ago

In the UK we've got unlimited data caps and majority of places have decent internet, so that's not the issue for me. My big issue is button delay, I'm really not convinced they can eliminate it enough that it makes it worth playing games on over PS5.

Games I'm sure will be announced soon, people forget that it was revealed at GDC, a conference aimed at developers, not consumers. Other developers don't care about games, they just care about the tech and how they can get their game on the platform.

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SuperSonic911857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

Streaming games with low powered graphics found in switch is indeed a big threat to Nintendo on top of mobile gaming eating up its handheld market.
You will see handheld Android game devices dedicated to play Stadia games. This I guarantee.

Also Amazon, EA, Nvidia are also launching their own game streaming services.

Casepb1855d ago

But if Stadia comes to Switch, then why would you ever buy new hardware?

optimus1855d ago

that's not what he said at all. 🙄

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Interloper1857d ago

It's also a real threat to my 1TB data limit. xD

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Tomb Raider is coming to Evercade!

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Their newer giga cart tech should make for even bigger games coming to the platform. I'm hoping for a Resident Evil collection with the first 3 games.

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With Larian Out Of The Picture, Will The Baldur's Gate IP Be In Safe Hands?

Huzaifah from eXputer: "With Larian Studios washing their hands of the IP, what is the ultimate fate of the legendary Baldur's Gate series?"

RaidenBlack17h ago

If anybody's gonna mention BioWare, then look at Archetype Entertainment, they're the new BioWare
or else
Obsidian is still a good choice but not independent anymore.

anast17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

No, WoTC is pivoting to mobile. They can use Larian's work to justify DnD Go and everyone will accept it.

RiseNShine17h ago

Short answer, nope. Long answer, f*ck nope.

Christopher17h ago

Honestly, we're talking completely new engine and none of Larian's built-in stuff with regard to environments and the like that they had from their past divinity game. No one is going to have that just ready to go. So, they need to shop for a dev studio that has a past game that shows what they want.

Obsidian doesn't have that, maybe the closest being Dungeon Siege 3 or Pillars of Eternity, but those are very basic, not as open, very little environment related and altering capabilities. So, we're talking a step way back on what Larian delivered. Zero scene experience to line up with what was done in BG3. Okay conversation tree designs, but still needs more complexity.

inXile has Wasteland 3 as a base model engine, and I think that's better than Pillars of Eternity from Obsidian. But, still needs to be more open world, more environmental effects, and a much heavier rules set adaptation. But, not a bad overall engine as a base, but still a ton of work. Zero scene experience to line up with what was done in BG3. Needs a ton of work on that entirely.

Tactical Adventure did the Solasta game. Really good and more accurate as far as 5e rules than BG3. But, again, if the expectation is similar to what made BG3 a big hit, engine isn't designed for moving the camera, is a bit outdated in graphics, doesn't have in-game scene elements, and needs much better writers/voice actors.

Owlcat of pathfinder games is another choice, even though they've recently moved on to WH40k licensed games. Again, though, the engine is the biggest issue here to match up, but it's a much better option overall than Tactical Adventure. Another question is writers/story telling, as much of their overall story telling bits are very limited with a lot of random worldbuilding elements that are just +\- of some attributes.

TBH, no matter who takes over, it's just not going to be like BG3 much like how BG3 isn't at all like BG1/2. And BG3 was so successful because of how much Larian was able to put in with their engine and how focused they were on players having ridiculous control over the story being told. I just don't see the next BG being the same and depending on what it is, it might be good but I'm not as big of a reach as BG3. It's way more likely players are going to go into BG4 (or its spiritual successor if it moves away from Baldur's Gate and into Neverwinter or something like Plansescape) expecting much of what is in BG3 with more options, new and older characters, and the same level of control over what they're doing. If it doesn't have that, regardless of who makes it, it won't be as successful, IMHO.

exputers12m ago

Yes, I completely concur.

As good and talented as inXile and Obsidian are in their own specific way of making their particular games, none of them have Larian's attention to detail, dynamic worlds, and reactivity, so even if they end up making a new Baldur's Gate, it's going to be a significant step-down in terms of gameplay if not narrative.

CrimsonWing6916h ago

Probably not, but maybe… just maybe…

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