A study conducted by Allen B. Downey, a computer scientist at the Olin College of Engineering in Massachusetts, concludes that the Internet has led to a significant drop in religious affiliations over the past 20 years.
Good, the it drops the better. Religion is all bs. Made up by men, to control men.
Not only men but women and children too! For at least 100,000 years if not more!
Religion will always exist. Your belief that religion is bs, is in fact, a religious statement. It's worth noting, that the further we get away from "religion," the worse people become. That's not to say bad things have never happened in the name of religion. you'd be a fool to deny that.(the Crusades anyone?) You'd also be a fool not to notice the decline in society since we have started to move away from religion.
The worse we become? Really, okay name me one religion that has not incited violence or been the cause of a war. Religion and it's beleif system has claimed more lives than any other belief system in the history of man. People choose to be blind to that fact though. Also, society has always been bad. It's all subjective and relative to time. Go preach your bs elsewhere. I'll just preach the truth.
frelyer, I completely agree, but let's not blame markte. He is blind to facts because his religion requires him to be so they can continue to collect off him.
Our Society has no place for bigotry. Hope Religion gets vaporized so we could move on to more important matters.
I believe that religion is not required for a person to have morality. I also do not believe religion overall is a positive force for good on this planet. Societal 'decline' is a broad and highly contentious subject, however there is possibly some evidence to support the idea more secular states may be beneficial to society and general happiness (Scandinavia is an interesting area of study). Although it is weak, it is worth noting. Social sciences is a difficult field.
Ironically, "internet atheism" has spawned some of the most ignorant, misinformed, spiteful little douchebags this side of the Westboro Baptist Church. I am all for people having strong convictions, but this reactionary BS the internet likes to call "atheism" is NOT what I think of as conviction. And keep in mind that I am a stern atheist.
this comment is so full of wrong it's not even funny. how is stating that religion is bs a religious statement? i don't think you know what religion is if you believe that. religion has been the cause of almost every war that has ever been fought. religion causes people to be bigots to people with different beliefs and so on. if you think society is declining then you don't know history. this is why school is important children.
Sorry buddy, but according to FBI.gov, as the years are going on we are living in one of the safest times in history. That means, as religious affiliation and belief is declining, so too are violent crimes: rape, murder, assault, robbery, GTA Further, teenage pregnancy has dropped as have abortions.... The fact is, religion isn't needed and neither are gods.
Reread what frelyler said, that is my response also to your stupid comment. Religion was created by the ignorant to explain nature. That explanation led to people using it to control other men, women, and their children. Everyone on this planet is born an atheist. Only those who can see through the bullshit of your fantasy leave it for reality and science where the real answers can be found.
@frelyler Jehovah's Witnesses have never been the cause of any wars. Pretty sure Bhudism hasn't caused a war either though I could be wrong there. Religion isn't a cause for war, stupid people driven by greed and control with no tolerance are. The churches are an issue, religion in and of itself is not. No harm comes from believing that the world was engineered by a higher being. It's violently imposing those beliefs on others that is harmful. I agree that the further society moves away from religious morals (not necessarily the belief itself) that the more deprave we as a society seem to be becoming.
yep once you get rid of morals and values that religion brings what do you have left? laws made by rich man who dont give a crap about everyone like religion does. good people, bad people are all they same to rich man. we all get crushed. it then turns into a dog eat dog world. the worst thing is people only follow the laws they want to. so dont come in here trying to act like things will be better without religion people
YOUR religion is edited by men, not mine. If you check history, there are like, i dunno, 10 versions of christian bible.
All the hate, blind assumptions, and attempts at belittling me, only prove my point. The lack of education is evident as well. Not one of the unnecessarily hateful posts even attempted to realize their belief that religion is bad and needs to go away is, in fact, religion.
I feel sorry for you. My belief system is not a religion because I have not laid out a strict set of rules and tried to control you. I have merely asked for you to open your eyes and see the truth. No religion I have come across has attempted that, therefore my beliefs and assumptions based on facts is the farthest thing from religion. It is simply what I believe and I have not commanded anyone to do anything other than not be ignorant.
"Not one of the unnecessarily hateful posts even attempted to realize their belief that religion is bad and needs to go away is, in fact, religion." That belief doesn't fall under the definition of religion. How's that? As for this study, religious belief has been declining for a lot longer than the internet has even existed.
You are the dumbest fool in captivity. And you must have not have read the article. Or you completely, and utterly failed to comprehend this lovely little piece that contradicts your very stupid statement, "College education decreases the chance of religious affiliation, and the prevalence of college eduction is increasing. The fraction of people in the U.S. with 16 or more years of education was 17.4% in the 1980s, 24.4% in the 1990s and 27.2% in the 2000s." In other words, the stupid cling to religion, the educated cling to reality and science. Education allows people to identify religion is fantasy, and reality is truth.
The original article actually states that there is no causal link between the internet and religion. Way to go sub-editors.
There's a link between Internet usage and education but there also seems to be a third unexplained factor. Both the article and research paper state that.
That as may be but my point is that the title speaks of a link while the article does not. I surmised that whoever wrote the title had not read the article.
Well, while there may seem to be an additional factor, the Internet has played a significant role in shifts away from religion. You can see a sudden spike of those choosing to be non-religious at the same time when the Internet started to gain popularity. The stats do show that the Internet plays a huge role and given that these studies are never dead on, I won't discredit the title entirely.
"Religious upbringing is by far the strongest explanatory variable, and it seems likely that, in fact, religious upbringing causes religious affiliation." I guess I title referring to the strongest explanatory variable would not have generated as much interest...
It would be the most accurate statement but I do believe that most journalists are limited to the amount of words and characters in their headlines for SEO purposes. They also get truncated on sharing sites like Facebook and Twitter, so I could understand why it's not as descriptive.
Awesome! Religion isn't free from criticism on the net. In fact, it feels like it goes to die.
Jesus is coming soon...
I hope he gets here before Winter. Mutha's taking FOREVER
Ask him if we can have summer please. Lol. I will ask my imaginary friend as well.
In all seriousness.
The Bible said this would happen. People will become less religious. They think they are smart and look down at us Christians, thinking we are dumb and uneducated. It is clear that the end is not too far. Might be in my lifetime, hope so!! Just want to see them faces when it happens! Sadly i would feel bad for them and not happy.... Guess I wont know how I will feel. lets wait and see. See who was wrong and who was right. Can't wait!! Ps.: God exists, and He will not be mocked by small ants like we are!
Oh D3, you make it too easy... Just wow.
@D3athc3ll "It is clear that the end is not too far.Might be in my lifetime, hope so!!" How is it any clearer now than it was 100 years ago and why would you want the world to end? Such a strange thing to say.
people have been waiting for over 2k years for jesus to return and "save" us all from what i don't know. news flash its never happening. only you can save yourself.
Dude dont be a douche and question other people's beliefs. Much like I wont question your reasons for being gay, if you are. God does exist IMO.. There is no way to prove or disprove he exist, so dont even try.. Even Albert Einstein said something in the lines of that there has to be a higher power that created all that is in the Universe It cant just like be like POOOF!!! it had to be created. True story.
@WitWolfy Yes, I can't prove that your god exists but neither can you prove that the other thousands exist. Do you believe in other gods, probably not.. The same reason you don't believe in them is why I don't believe in any of them. I know this is very cliche but you can't claim otherwise. If it had to be created then who created the creator? Because it cant just be like POOF...
This is all predicted, the good shall be bad and the bad shall be good. They will target Christians as if they where terrorist. People here are so uneducated that just because high ranking people have used religion as an scapegoat for war doesn't mean that religion is about that. Religion has morals, a lot which we have lost. You just have to look at what every war has been really about and its always power, money, greed but of course they wont say that... IT WAS RELIGION THAT TOLD ME TO DO IT! and people actually believe and start stereotyping religion with war and death. IF anyone thinks that we are doing better than we where a few years ago they seriously need to educate them self's and look at statistics. Everything now is about hate and jealousy. Just look at the dumbest things that people used to do but indicated they actually cared, like letting people pass on the rode, opening doors, saying enjoy, helping people on the rode with a flat tire. I use to see that a lot before and now rarely that happens. I even waited for a mom who had 3 kids and was opening the door for her(waited like 25 secs till she came), she passes and not even a thank you LOL... like seriously what has happened to our world
How fitting that an article with a headline like that gets acompanied by anti-religious posts :P
Its america, its full of thick prats anyways
i agree its america i wont be surprised really but its sad to see more people are going to be like animals following their desires with no ethics whats so ever just the law if the law allows them they do . thats the world of the anti christ
Yeah because religion is the only reason why people have ethics... It isn't exclusive to religions you daft person. Do you really think that non believers are for example thinking of murdering and eating people just because they're not religious and therefore "can't have ethics"?
I'm religious and don't force it on anyone and my beliefs don't require people to bend backwards to accommodate me. No, I'm not stupid and yes I know there's no proof of God's existence but I just have an intrinsic feeling that there is a God, I feel there is a higher power. Even though I'm religious I realise that religion in general is man made and is used as a means of controlling the population. Trying to say Atheists = Dumb or Religious people = Dumb just doesn't work, people don't fit neatly into stereotypes.
No it isn't, those idiots were too ignorant to know the difference between faith and blind obedience to begin with to ever really have been considered "religious." No statement of fact should EVER break someone from their faith, only a choice can do that, and that is left up to each person to decide for themselves. Not dependent on whether a god is "real," or the authorship of religious texts, it's in you and nowhere else.
I believe in him, though I do sway away because of all the bad but then I remember all the good and know its real, I mean like seriously someone must have created us to be the dominant animal in this world. Far too long I've let the Internet decide for me but hey as long as I believe that is all that counts. He's never let me down, he's taken the bad people far from my life, everytime I talk to him, he answers. Sometimes it's not the answer you seek but need.
keep praying man . i am your muslim brother lets pray to our god that we both share .
well am religious and i am proud of it . and of course i want my loved ones to be like me i dont care about you people but i know one thing is for sure actually two things . 1 - there is a holy book which predicted this and everything we are doing right now that book is 1400 years old . 2 - hell fire needs people to survive so i hope the number of disbelievers is enough to fill it up XD i know it can take up to infinity but i guess you get the point .
Religion may be cause for violence, however thats not to say religion is the only cause. Plenty of athiests or psychopaths who arent religious go on a murderous rampage too, some often BECAUSE they hate religion so much (Andeers Brehvik)
As "educated" as some of you are, and so...open-minded, I find it hard to believe that some of you athiests really think that religion is the cause of wars. Men are the cause of wars, ignorance, hate, greed, etc. The wealthy and powerful just used religion as an excuse to go to war, much like our own government parades the idea of patriotism and freedom in order to invade countries for oil.
Well said. Reminded me of the quote by Seneca: "Religion was r egarded by the common people as true, by the philosophers as false, and by the rulers as useful."
Religion to many people is not something that gets in the way but something to have faith in, comfort us in our darkest hours and give us hope that there is something beyond this physical life we live in.I am not sure why people are always pretending it is the major cause of humanities strife when there are many non religious things in this life that are screwing us just as bad as people seem to think religion does. We who practice religion admit that we have people that take it way too far but that doesn't give people the excuse to condemn everyone else who truly believes in it and to want it gone for your own convenience. Also I would like to point out to the atheists who are so in a hurry to believe that a higher power is not at work in the shaping of the universe that it would mean that humanity and the universe is nothing more then an accident.That we just happened to exist by accident.I don't know about you but thinking that we were just one step from never existing at all if conditions weren't exactly right for us is not a wondrous thought at all.It would also mean the complexity of everything around us and us ourselves are an accident too.Are you saying that the universe is nothing more then a lucky roll of the dice?
Instead of the word accident, I would prefer to use the phrase "unique chain of events". In order for me to get here a huge meteorite had to strike the Earth 65 million years ago and end the era of dinosaurs. A supervolcano named Toba had to erupt 70 000 years ago, wiping out entire species of humans off the face of Earth. My mother and father had to meet at a bar. A one certain sperm cell had to win the race to fertilize the egg. To think that the current state of affairs is the result of some divine purpose would be narcissistic on my part. Everything could have gone much differently, but it didn't. That's why i'm here and continue to be here probably for the next 50 years or so, enjoying the highly agreeable state of existence. And the i die, giving off my share of atoms in the cycle of matter, to make room for other creatures to exist.
So you really think after billions of years it's been just a unique chain of events with no higher power involved? So we were just lucky then? All of creation was just lucky? Our complex bodies was just that we happened to evolve that way? Or that the earth was just the right distance from the sun to support life? Or that the right amount of creatures were wiped out or evolved a certain way to keep everything balanced? Or that out sun wasn't too big to burn us up? Or that our bodies avoided and cleansed all the DNA that would have been a threat to our existence? Or that all the atoms and molecules just happened to come together to form the things around us? Or that any order in the universe is just a chaotic coincidence? Sorry but that is even more ridiculous then you think a higher being is. The universe is not just all luck and coincidence. If it is then our lives are pointless and everything is just chaos? We are helpless to do anything because our existence is for nothing? The universe just happened to knock us into existence and if it didn't we would be non existent.Thank goodness I don't think that way because that completely lessens the worth of humanity and anything we stand for.It's just like saying the universe just happened to crap us out and we are lucky it did.I would prefer to think there is something better waiting for me beyond this life.I don't know why so many people are so eager to think otherwise.Are you so hell bent on being right that you don't even understand the implications of what you are suggesting?
Well all these facts of Earth being at just the right distance from the sun, the sun being of the right size etc., that's just observation selection effect, or part of the anthropic principle. Ok, so we have a so called habitable zone in our solar system, roughly the zone between planets Venus and Mars, where water may exist in liquid form on the surface of a planet, and where Earth is located. There are also other requirements for complex life to exist such as suitable distance from the center of our Milky Way galaxy and small to medium sized parent star. The observations show that there are lots of planets within our solar system that are at a wrong distance from the sun to have liquid water on their surface. And of course it is on Earth, and not on the inhospitable planets, that beings have arisen to notice that their home planet is suitable for life, because the inhospitable planets cannot give rise to complex life! Compare this to coin tossing, only we don't have just one coin. It's like you get a bunch of coins and drop them on the floor and some of them are bound to show "tails". There are at least hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe and hundreds of billions of stars within a galaxy, with probably those stars having, on average, roughly the same amount of planets orbiting them as is in our solar system. Maybe life is inevitable, given such a huge universe for "experimentation". As to the questions about meaning of life, morals, and such, I don't base those on some entities of which there is no proof of such as God or hell, nor do I try to base them on observations alone. Science is a method to describe the world, not tell how people should live their lives. We have ethics and philosophy in general for the latter part, and for some people religion.
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