being as powerless, I can't believe that some people really think that believing in god is an outdated idea and science is the way forward. science is a gift from god for us thinkers and learners to learn and appreciate what have been bestowed upon us by the creator, not as a tool to deny the existence of god itself.

think carefully. is it ok to act THAT arrogant against the god when you can't even create the simplest form of life let alone the complex ones? our brains make split second decisions one after another while requiring so little input and the process is almost impossible to be replicated by mere mortals like us yet some of us still have the guts to question the creator?

we live like what...100 years each? but we are now questioning a force that has been preserving the whole universe at will for all eternity just because we now knew about some scientific stuff? the more you know, you should feel humbler, not more arrogant! you're doing it wrong.

Ah... I presumed correctly. But now knowing your creed, I do know that any valid argument I make will be most likely be staunchly refuted. So I will not comment anymore on my knowledge of the Bible over yours, especially since you view your interpretation of it as infallible and absolute. 2 Timothy 2:23 is also a good reason to not continue this route.

--Now, to quell things a bit... "Faith" was meant to be a generalization. You automatically assumed I solely meant "Christian faith." Understandable, yet naive.

--And... Honest question here: How is what I initially posted about superstition dwindling but belief in God (Supreme Architect) enduring closed-minded? Seriously, please answer this!!!

--Finally... Spiritual Interpreter... You're referring to speaking in tongues for guidance, right? Though I have tried it, it is not part of my beliefs. Nonetheless, despite it being in 1 Corinthians, it has strong Pagan origins. Not that I mind its origins, but you might. Mind you, much of what Christians practice today was incorporated from Pagan practices to entice acceptance. It's rather interesting! That is, if you are open-minded enough to find it interesting. But... let's not make this the focus of our debate, especially since we have limited bubbles.

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Just out of curiosity, did you actually read the article?

I did. It was okay... A bit too finite and somewhat lowbrow on its finite-ness, but he does have a few good points about our future descendants' potential beliefs.

@thorstein
You, like many, lump the counterfeit christians & ancient catholics (that did do those atrocities to the real Christians), together as one set of people. Do you really think Jesus would endorse Hitler like Pope Pius XII did?

However true Christians that really follow Jesus Christ's teachings would know better than to hate anyone and kill, persecute anyone. We are taught to love your enemy, and do good to those who persecute you.

Also, attacking Christianity has been going on since Jesus' crucifixion. You have your facts wrong of course. You of course are referring to the zealous radicals that attack the homosexuals and others. Jesus (and HIS real CHURCH) wouldn't do that and I wouldn't either.

You need to educate yourself with the facts and research the facts in this documentary. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

@ChrisW
--Although I know the Bible scriptures (like 2 Timothy 2:23), I don't use individual scriptures in arguments (because like satan does), they are taken out of context and used in counter arguments (anyone can do that). I use the entire chapter or book for that matter, to get the entire meaning.

Paul wrote those 2 books to Timothy (his protege) and the first pastor of Ephesus (the Las Vegas of that time, home of the fake pagan gods). Those 2 books are meant for Christians and are a guide for the different offices of the church and a Christians deeds & duties.

--When "faith" lumps Christians with all other religions, I tend to correct it. Try calling a Korean person, a Chinese or a Greek person an Italian, you'll get the same reaction. I know many of these races and the tend to take exception to these actions.

--To answer your question... the way your statement was written (your choice of words), makes it seems as if Christians are idiots for believing in God and again are lumped in with all other religions. And that man made knowledge will trump God's knowledge as time goes on. Also, no mater how much man made knowledge we obtain, the "idiots" will still believe in a Supreme Architect (God).

--By "Spiritual Interpreter" I mean God's Holy Spirit (the 3rd part to the God head), the entity that is doing God's work in the background. He tugs at our conscience and helps us understand the spiritual meaning of the scriptures. The tongues you speak off, are spiritual gifts from God, and that has a satanic counterfeit from lucifer, to fool people into thinking christians are lunatics.

You're right what most Christians practice today does stem from paganism. Most don't know any better but I do. That started happening in 313 A.D. when the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, merged Roman (Ancient Babylonian) Paganism & Christianity together.... that was the worst day in Christianity! The Bible does tell (many times) of the many that will be deceived!

--Yes I did read the article. To me it's just new age propaganda to push people away from God and set them up for the New World Order, which will usher in the new world leader and world domination & slavery. Everyone will have only 2 choices then, serve & worship lucifer or die.

The Bible foretells about all this thousands of years in advance. People brush it off and nonsense, yet look at the world we live in, there's no real hope for our future on this planet, but people continually ignore it. It's just going to get worse & worse!

I could go on but I've said enough.

Uh... Yeah... I'm certain it's super easy to take the verse "Avoid foolish disputes, knowing that they generate strife" out of context. And I'm most certain Satan gets giddy knowing that individual verses can be used as such. Wait... No! That's such a daft rationalization. Please be realistic! Yeah... I know, I'm asking too much here.

--All religions require faith. What is there to correct about that?

--Thanks for answering my question. I strongly believe that you are overreacting. But hey! I'm not worried. Most fundamentalists overreact to the slightest presumable heretical comment anyway. Even asking one to lighten up concerning such things would be heretical in its own right.

--As this is my last bubble - respond as you wish - I will not continue this discussion. Not even with PM.

Laus Deo!

You have obviously not seen, heard or have been a part of Atheist vs Christian debates like I have. It's super easy to google up a scripture and use it towards your argument in a debate. People will twist anything to make their argument look valid.

A "daft rationalization" is thinking that we humans are the only ones in existence and that God & satan are a myth. There is a tremendous spiritual war taking place all around us as we speak. We are the pawns & the prizes of this spiritual war. It's taking place in the 6 scientifically proven dimensions (curled to the less than the 10-33 cm) in our world that we can't see.

Every single one of us have had a moment where we feel another presents around us (good or bad, that heaviness or lightness feeling that something is there), but most brush it off as "it's just in our heads".

Have you ever heard the saying "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he didn't exist". He's way smarter than you or I and he's been around since before the earth or us was ever created. He's counterfeited everything pure that God created!

--"All religions require faith. What is there to correct about that?"

This is not what you originally stated, if you did I wouldn't have responded. Superstition was inserted in there, remember?

Did you know that Evolution (Darwinism) Theory is a religion too! There has never been any scientific proof, nor any missing links found, or any observable kinds of species changing into a different kind of species, or observing nothing turning into a living cell. It's all based on the faith of one man's theory, which has never been proven in a lab! The so called scientific community just kept adding & changing the rules as it kept getting disproved.

--You're welcome, you asked, so I answer because I can. You call it over reacting, I call it correcting, informing & educating. You call me a fundamentalists overreacting, I call it, someone that knows the absolute truth (not my truth or your truth, but God's truth), correcting misinformation.

--This is my last response (and bubble) as well, so I won't be pursuing this topic any longer, I've said my peace or more precisely what the Lord wanted me to say.

I will vote you up for another +bubble though, in hopes that you will be able to continue your debate next time!

--One last thing;
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation before investigation.
— Edmund Spencer

I use to condemn faith/religion too, that was before I actually investigated it and found the truth.

Cheers and GBY!

Didn't read the article. Didn't care to. JUst simply came to see reponses. Found you, brethren.

Interesting conversation between you and Chris. Since you stuck to your stuff and held your ground fairly well I won't go into Chris's faults. However, wow! It might be only you, or your church comminity itself but saying Satan is responsible for taking the Bible out of context and using it as your main point for ignoring it;s usage is a lame cop-out. Really cheap man!

My BAC community ('cause God has my BAC!) We strongly believes that each verse is to be cherished and if a Christian from another church tries to use it against us we should point them in the right direction. Callously saying Satan is responsible wont win any points. It is not our objective to turn away people with callouness Like you do. When we say, "Oh you only say that because Satan in in your heart!" People simply ignore us. And YOU know that very well!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously man! The Bible is obviously the way, but your way is NOT the way to win others hearts and beliefs to the Bible regardless of what they think.

From one BA to another (aka you), oldschool Fire and Brimstone tactics only work on the weak minded. Gotta keep up with the times! Change your tactics to agree with wat they say, but influence them gently towards the right direction.