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Console Unity (Cross-Platform Play) doesn’t make sense unless you aren’t Sony

It's a question that has risen, this article looks at why cross-platform isn't compatible currently, within the nature of competitiveness.

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Theknightofnights2315d ago

I'm not sure why we are trying to analyze business tactics like this. I mean, I, as a PS4 gamer, would gain from this deal. I don't care if MS does too.

DialgaMarine2314d ago

You might gain, but Sony would be risking their market share. As an independent console producer with its own community, it is not their job to cater to the wants and needs of other console’s communities. In other words, their job is to sell PS4’s and gain PSN users, not go out of their way to let people from the completing console brands play with PSN because a small minority want it. If you want to game with PSN users, buy a PS4. It’s simple math. The only games that could benefit from this are multiplats anyway.

Xx_Pistol_xX2314d ago

It's also about Microsoft putting Windows on everything. Minecraft needs XBox Live to cross play.

ChristopherJack2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

How would Sony be risking their market share? Why should I give a damn anyways? Just because you don't think Sony needs to, doesn't mean people should stop asking for more players to play with.

DialgaMarine2314d ago

@Chris Because telling people they no longer have to buy a PS4 to play certain games, with friends who are only on PSN, will sway people to be less likely to buy a PS4. Obviously this won’t be a huge number, but it’s a business like any other at the end of day, and would rather convince people to play within their ecosystem so they can make money off of them. Call it whatever you want, but it makes sense. People can keep crying over it, but unless MS magically starts selling 3x as many consoles as PS4, Sony has no reason to give a crap.

showtimefolks2314d ago

DialgaMarine

couldn't agree more. it's very simple sony has a lot to lose with very little to gain. i also find it funny now ms/xbox fans want it when last gen sony wanted to do it yet ms said no. the reason FF14 online isn't on xbox one is because of ms not allowing cross play

so let's not act like now ms has changed and phil spencer is all for gamers

want to play with playsyation gamers buy a ps4 otherwise enjoy it on your console of choice. we don't want cross platform play today, tomorrow or any other day

it's the vocal minority trying to pressure sony but it won't work. this same vocal minority yells and shouts about MT/loot boxes yet buy almost every big AAA games that offer either

Theknightofnights2314d ago

Why do you care about what Sony has to risk? Are you a gamer or a Sony investor?

DialgaMarine2314d ago

@Knight Gamer, but also a realist.

ILostMyMind2314d ago

@ChristopherJack
You should stop asking because Sony says it will not gonna happens. Don't be child.

Theknightofnights2314d ago

@Dialga

Realistically, Sony could implement this at any time and it would be quite easy. They still have the vast amount of exclusives and more support than Xbox does as a whole, so it isn't like they are going to lose market share.

This is good for gamers. Quit thinking about Sony's lined pockets and business decisions.

tontontam02314d ago

"How would Sony be risking their market share? Why should I give a damn anyways? Just because you don't think Sony needs to, doesn't mean people should stop asking for more players to play with"

"Why do you care about what Sony has to risk? Are you a gamer or a Sony investor?"

WTF is up with these IDIOT people, nobody is telling you that you should care they are just telling you why they think sony is against crossplay.

NeoGamer2322314d ago

It is a sad day in gaming when gamers are defending a console company rather than the best interests of all gamers.

Whether you are a Sony gamer or some other gamer, cross network gaming is at the very least an option that gamers who want should be able to take advantage of. I have no problem with gamers saying they don't want to use the feature and by default multi-player gaming should only be within the network. But, if a gamer wants to play with their friends on another device there should be a simple checkbox to allow it. When we start letting companies decide what is best for us there is nothing good that comes of it.

jrshankill2313d ago

Listen to You DialgaMarine.. putting a corporation's interest before a gamer's. That's the problem with this gen, your noses are so far up your favourite console's arsehole that you can't see things that would genuinely make gaming better for the masses.

DialgaMarine2313d ago

I honestly don’t see that as something the majority of people would benefit from. The vast majority don’t care. This would only be catering to a small minority of people. I don’t want to play XBL kids, so I don’t care about a few crybabies on the internet who do.

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TKCMuzzer2314d ago

Because the industry needs to stay competitive to survive, if the console makers are not competing with one another, whats the point? It has only come around because MS have pretty much screwed up this gen, the lack of investment in software has hurt MS and they are looking for an easy fix. Industries like this rely on perception just as much as marketing and MS keep on shooting themselves in the foot.
I for one don't want cross play, I want MS to make some games and convince me that an Xbox is worth the money, I want exclusives on each platform to drive the other platform in order to get better games.

ChristopherJack2314d ago

I can't imagine how crossplay will affect much, people buy what their friends play right now but if crossplay removed that from consideration, they'd buy the more attractive package- whatever offers better exclusives & ultimately the best bang for their buck.

Theknightofnights2314d ago

It can stay competitive even when it has crossplay. There are still exclusive game lineups, differences in features, etc.

Crossplay would have very little effect on the competition as a whole.

RosweeSon2314d ago

Yeah you’d gain some screaming kids in your ear hole, no thanks.

Theknightofnights2314d ago

You think there aren't screaming kids on PSN?

Theknightofnights2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@the disagrees

Are you guys serious? You think there are no screaming kids on PSN but there are on Xbox Live?

This site is so incredibly biased it's unbelievable. Screaming kids are on both sides. You think no kids ask for a PS4?

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2314d ago

@Theknightofnights

From a purely business point of view, there is absolutely no incentive for Sony to allow Microsoft to have access to PSN and there's no incentive for Sony to allow PlayStation Network to access Xbox Live. Microsoft would be the only company to benefit from the deal while Sony gets the increased server traffic. Sure it would be great for gamers, but these corporations aren't your friends and they are in business for one reason, to make money. Don't ever believe that Microsoft or Sony cares about your individual wants and desires, you'll only be deluding yourself.

Theknightofnights2314d ago

Why are we looking at it from a business standpoint at all? Unless you are a part of that business or an investor it shouldn't matter. Just look at it from a gamer perspective, which you admitted it would be great for.

If it's great for gamers then why aren't we trying to support this? I can only think of one reason, petty fanboyism.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@Theknightofnights

Sony owns PlayStation, we don't. Therefore we have no choice but to look at this situation from a purely business oriented view point. It doesn't matter if we support this or not. If Sony believes it is not in their best interests to allow Microsoft to use PSN's higher player base to supplement Xbox Live then there's nothing you or I can do about it. There's nothing sinister or anti-consumer about it since you bought what ever system you own without PSN/Xbox Live crossplay. The only reason some people seem to be obsessing over this is because Xbox is slowly losing more market share to PS4 and Xbox fans choose to focus on red herrings and PR instead of complaining about the lack of first party support.

jrshankill2313d ago

Stop with the "business side of things" bull! Stop trying to be a market analyst and instead think of gaming in general.
You are an end consumer, that's all you are and all you ever will be. Your interest should be getting matched to more people online, a more robust online infrastructure, and the opportunity to play with family and friends who do not own the same hardware as you. There is no negatives here.
Drop the fanboy idiocy for a while and look at the bigger picture.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2313d ago (Edited 2313d ago )

@jrshankill

Just like Theknightofnights, you're responding based on the assumption that I don't want crossplay with Xbox Live. Here's the truth: I DON'T CARE IF IT HAPPENS OR NOT.

Here's the reality: SONY HAS ALREADY DECIDED NOT TO ALLOW CROSSPLAY WITH XBOX LIVE AND I STILL DON'T CARE.

If there was any type of demand for this feature from a majority of PlayStation owners, Sony would probably acquiesce and allow Xbox Live/PSN crossplay to happen, but they didn't which probably means that most PS4 owners don't care one way or the other.

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UCForce2314d ago

I think you need to understand that is competition, not just business. Sony have their momentum on having 70 million PS4 units and more exclusive games than others. So I know Sony never do cross play because of it. And don’t try think MS is very friendly about this. MS want to gain momentum by playing different tactics.

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Magnetar2315d ago (Edited 2315d ago )

It’s amusing seeing people hostile against the idea and hearing their petty excuse why it shouldn’t happen, when the ones that benefit from it are gamers and developers that make games with a small amount of concurrent users. If the tech is there, I say use it.

yumi762315d ago

Septic your so full of crap, you only posted your stupid article to instigate this argument in the first place.

I imagine that all the rage was building up after your beloved Forza got wrecked by GT Sport then when you realized X also lost to the PS4 in North America you just couldn't resist dragging this topic out of the graveyard.

Now you sit here and have the nerve to pretend like this wasn't your goal. My only regret is actually posting on your crap article and helping it get heat because with out my comment that stupid article probably would have gotten buried on the site like it deserves.

Gazondaily2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

"^^ LOL! Ok....

This isn't my article...

yumi762314d ago

Septic you know what article I am talking about and you knew full well I knew this wasn't it. I am not going to link to it because that will only give you hits.

Pricey2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@Yumi76 Septic is a turd and like all turds can’t be polished. I know the article you are referring an I too will not link to it. The only reason septic is not banned is to serve this site which sadly seems dependant on pathetically transparent tolls.

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OB1Biker2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

I think its a bit like talking about BC. It goes both ways. Some people are making it as if its a big deal and some people are making it as if its rubbish. The reality is, as often, in the middle. Its not essential at all but if it can be an option then why not?
I think fanboys wars go a bit like politics. People need to clash as in one side is right and one side is wrong. Just like in the comments. Its always about 'winning' an argument rather than really a discussion. So I think crossplay is a cool feature that could happen for a few games with xbox /PS like its already happens with PC and with different VR platforms. Theres no need to get all emotional about it though as its not really essential like it is for VR for instance (because VR needs all the players it can find)

SpineSaw2314d ago

You bring up BC and though BC is a good option to have it is clearly part of the lack of gamers playing the multiplats and current gen games on Xbox Live. The more gamers playing BC the less to have playing current gen games like TitanFall 2, Ghost Recon WL, Halo 5, Forza 7 and so on. Now some will point out that of the 30 to 35million XBL gamers only a small percent play BC and this may be true but if any of them are gaming in a BC game their part of the XBL problem and it's a problem not for another platform to solve such as Sony. Microsoft has Cross-play deals with PC and Nintindo and if they still have problems filling a lobby then maybe it's just sad to be a Xbox gamer because this is not a problem Sony or any other company can fix for Microsoft. Microsoft needs to fix their own problems. IMO.

DialgaMarine2314d ago

Then maybe you should remind MS that they did the same thing for the same reasons. Only difference is, when MS turned down Sony, Sony simply let it go and moved on; now that the tables have turned, MS and their fan girls are throwing temper tantrums and doing whatever they can to slander Sony and PS4, because they’re so butthurt that their precious brand has been destroyed this gen and the cash fountain that XBL once was is now running dry due to gamers being tired of their crap and the only people still playing are those who have purchased 4 - 5 Xbone’s throughout this gen.

If MS wants cross play so bad, go third party and put all their games on PS4/ PC.

gangsta_red2314d ago

Sony never reached out to MS for crossplay, Sony never made a game and asked MS to join. They were asked if they wouldn't mind with FF and they basically shrugged their shoulders with whatever. Que the rage of "MS is ruining the industry" type comments here.

But again it's good to see the replies to Magnetar proving him right. Weak excuses that are hostile about the idea.

yumi762314d ago

@gangsta_red

What you just said is untrue. Sony was stated they were willing to have cross play last gen on the games they had cross play with on PC. Microsoft refused because they wanted to keep people paying for Xbox Live.

Sony has been doing cross play with PC since PS3 it was Microsoft who was unwilling to join.

DialgaMarine2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@Yumi Sony was actually doing Cross play with PC on PS2. FFXII was cross play back in 2006.

gangsta_red2314d ago

@ Yumi

Sony said they wouldn't mind, they never directly asked MS for crossplay for any of their games.

MS has been doing crossplay with PC since the OG Xbox.

Magnetar2314d ago

And I wanted MS to do it last gen. Everyone acts like Sony has this for the gamer attitude, if they were really for the gamers and indies they’d support the feature that some devs would like to use.

Magnetar2314d ago

Actually it’s was ffxi, and it had cross play between pc, ps2, 360 and bc ps3s.

Chevalier2314d ago

@Septic

" Yeah it is just corporate slavery and allegiances that dictate their BS defence here"

Says the guy who cheerleads, defends BS and has an allegiance to MS and Xbox? What a hypocrite. Want to explain why Xbox has LESS crossplay games than PS4 then? So Xbod is more open to it and Sony is against it, but, has the MOST crossplay games?! Seriously wtf are you on about? Oh right an Xbox tirade as usual.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2313d ago (Edited 2313d ago )

@Gangsta_Red

Microsoft's first attempt at cross-play was in 2007 with the game Shadowrun and according to the information here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
You claim that Microsoft had crossplay since the very first Xbox console. If what you say is true would you care to name the game(s) on the original Xbox that had crossplay?

SMH

@yumi76

Actually Sony has had crosssplay with PC since 2002 with Final Fantasy XI

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TKCMuzzer2314d ago

Spoken like a true Xbox owner and no surprise that Septic endorses your comment. What your saying is, due to the lack of gamers playing games you want to dip into the oppositions pool to make up the player count, when actually you should be questioning why that player count is so low on your hardware in the first place.

Magnetar2314d ago

Niche games have problems with concurrent users on any platform.

UCForce2314d ago

@Magnetar But there is variety for people to enjoy even its Niche or not. Not everyone enjoy the mainstream thingy. Some people enjoy the small things.

trooper_2314d ago

Why should Sony open up to Microsoft when they refused before?

gangsta_red2314d ago

They're against it because Sony won't allow it so these people need to justify Sony's decision in the most insane way.

yumi762314d ago

And xbox fans are for it because their servers are empty especially in Europe.

Gazondaily2314d ago

Yeah it is just corporate slavery and allegiances that dictate their BS defence here. It benefits all gamers including PlayStation players...shouldnt even be an argument for this but notice the sheer utter lunacy of this.

Ashlen2314d ago

@Septic

So then why didn't Microsoft agree to cross play last gen when the console totals were within a few million?

gangsta_red2314d ago

@yum

Yes, xbox servers are so empty and only games like Rocket League, Tekken and Minecraft can save the MS servers from being empty.....

Septic, I seriously see your point on this lunacy.

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Magnetar2314d ago

The servers are far from empty. It’s easy to come on here and make up fairytales. Some people have these things called friends and I happen to have friends on both platforms I would like to play with.

Chevalier2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@Gansta Red

If PS4 is so against crossplay want to explain why they have MORE crossplay games available than Xbox? Your tirade has little backing it. Facts certainly destroy your argument handledly.

RauLeCreuset2314d ago

"They're against it because Sony won't allow it so these people need to justify Sony's decision in the most insane way."

That's some projection. Many of the Xbox's more vocal proponents on this site could similarly be accused of hyping up and purchasing a redo version of a console to justify their purchase of the original and loyalty to the brand.

RauLeCreuset2314d ago

Here's the harsh truth. Not only is cross-play not ultimately beneficial to PS, but neither is it ultimately beneficial to me as a PS gamer. Why? These companies are looking to profit. That profit often comes at my expense as the consumer in what is hopefully a mutually beneficial arrangement that sees me otherwise compensated for the loss of my dollars. PS denying cross-play to leverage their superior user base as enticement to buy their products doesn't cost me. It costs YOU.

PS is able to leverage a source of revenue that does not involve taking my money. My only titles that I wish had the feature are PSVR titles. Xbox isn't going to be helping there. There's an easy fix if it ever does become an issue for existing PS gamers. PS will pursue it, the same as Xbox is now. It really is a self correcting problem, but right now, PS gamers don't have a problem to correct. Xbox players do. Most accurately, the company relying on promoting their $500 revision hardware as the best place to play multiplats, in the absence of compelling exclusives, has a real problem with the larger user base of the PS4 undermining that claim.

I'm not a heartless hater, but this arrangement benefits me, too. A larger user base results in more support for the system. That's money going into the PS ecosystem that can go toward exclusives, PS+ offerings, and not to mention the larger user base attracting more third party offerings. The Xbox is missing out on many of those offerings due to a smaller user base, compounded by the more selective tastes of that user base. But, again, most importantly, compelling people to enter the PS ecosystem to play with their PS gamer friends means there's an avenue to monetize that doesn't involve dipping into my pockets.

UCForce2314d ago

@Septic I can say the same thing with MS and Nintendo.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2313d ago

If Microsoft was truly interested in crossplay because they're trying to be "gamer friendly" then why doesn't Microsoft allow PC gamers who don't use Windows 10 to have crossplay with gamers who use Windows 10?

And then that 'Ah Hah' moment emerges.

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RosweeSon2314d ago

I don’t see how I’d benefit from allowing Xbox owners who made their choice to game with me they can do this anytime buy a PS4 I don’t wanna play with people on Xbox got enough gamers to play with.

Magnetar2314d ago

Was that supposed to be a reason?

generic-user-name2314d ago

You'd have to be super naive to think only gamers and devs would benefit from this.

Magnetar2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

I don’t recall saying “only” at any point. I really don’t care how it will affect MS or Sony. I care about how it effects my wallet and time, by owning two copies of a game and spending the time to unlock things in two versions. Unlike most people here, I don’t pretend to have stock in ms or Sony.

RosweeSon2313d ago

Gamers benefit from it sure if your an Xbox gamer with half the amount of players, Sony don’t need it they’ve got 60-70 million concurrent players and counting, Made your choices deal with it. Sony/Nintendo this gen all the way

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Razzer2315d ago

Doesn't seem to me that PS4 owners are very interested in cross-play. All the noise about it is coming from Xbox fans. So why should Sony care?

Theknightofnights2315d ago

I think there are more of us PS4 owners that are interested in it than you think.

DialgaMarine2314d ago

I’ve got a solution for you: if you have friends that want to game with you, but don’t have PS4, then convince them to buy a PS4. Problem solved.

NotoriousWhiz2314d ago

@Dialga, you make that sound so easy. You must be a master negotiator.

trooper_2314d ago

I don't.

Neither do I care.

DialgaMarine2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

Is it though? Base PS4 was dirt cheap this passed Black Friday. Consoles are not that expensive.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2314d ago

@Theknightofnights

If PS4 owners were actually interested in overwhelming numbers there would be never ending stories about it on the internet. Unfortunately, reality clearly shows that these Xbox Live/PSN crossplay stories are being started by Xbox executives and Xbox fans. Microsoft tried it's "We are for the gamers" PR garbage and people saw right through it. Now that the crossplay propaganda campaign has come and gone what exactly has Microsoft done to entice gamers? By saying that "we have games in the pipeline" and "the games are coming?" GTFOH!

Theknightofnights2314d ago

@DialgaMarine

Why are you fighting something that is A) Easy to implement and B) Good for just about everybody?

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Theknightofnights2314d ago

@IGiveHugs2NakedWomen

There are plenty of PS4 gamers asking for it. I'm not sure why you think there aren't. Maybe they aren't on this forum, but, let's be honest, with the amount of disagree's I've received for my comment I don't think those people even want to be here.

RauLeCreuset2314d ago

"Why are you fighting something that is A) Easy to implement and B) Good for just about everybody?"

Because it's an avenue to intake revenue, which will hopefully be reinvested in PS, that doesn't involve us current PS gamers having to pay for it. It also increases our user base, making our investment a more attractive option for third parties. Simple enough?

tontontam02314d ago

or buy an xbox problem fixed

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Kribwalker2315d ago

outside of the bubble that’s N4G, there’s a lot of people that would like it from all sides

yumi762315d ago

No it's basically just xbox owners everywhere, most of whom don't even care beyond the fact that it's an excuse to try to make Sony look bad.

Razzer2315d ago

Nah...it is just console war bullshit

Kribwalker2314d ago

its historic is what it is. If Sony said yes, we would be the first to be able to play games across all platforms. It’s aleady happening from switch/PC/Xbox and in the case of mine craft when the switch update comes out it’s Switch/PC/Xbox/Android/IOS/Mac with PS4 the only man left out. And Minecraft is one of the biggest sellers on PS4.
You cannot tell me that some kid at school that has it on PS4 would love to play it with his friend on his switch. I woulda dreamed of that when i was a kid. Or even playing on a tablet while your friends over playing on the PS4......It makes sense man

Ashlen2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@Kribwalker

The proof that this is just being used as an excuse to make Sony look bad is in exactly what you say. You forgot to point out that Sony has been doing crossplay with PC since last generation. They even invited Microsoft onto the servers but Microsoft refused because they wanted to force people into paying for Live It's only recently that Microsoft has started dong it when they were forced due to low server counts.

Factually Sony has FAR more games that support crossplay than Microsoft does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

DialgaMarine2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@Kribwalker If MS hadn’t been such high and mighty pricks LAST gen, this would’ve been a thing LAST gen. Stop acting like Sony is halting the flow of progress, when you know damn well that you were with the Xbox players who laughed this idea off when it was 360 and PS3. Sony does do Cross play. With PC. They have no interest in doing anything with MS because they’re a bunch of corrupt corporate d-bags that will do anything to take marketshare away from PlayStation, or even remove Sony from the industry all together so they can go back to their goal of establishing a monopoly in our living rooms and bring back their insanely crappy business models such as console DRM and forced connectivity to their paid services.

NotoriousWhiz2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

No Krib is right. I don't know of a single person in real life that is opposed to cross play. I also don't know of a single person in real life that is a Sony shareholder. Only shareholders should be opposed to cross play, because obviously it's a business decision at the moment. Eventually though, the Nintendo, xbox, pc community combined will exceed the Sony community, so unless Sony hops on board, they will have the smallest community if they choose to remain by themselves.

Kribwalker2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@dialga
i have never been opposed to crossplay, and last gen I wasn’t even on this website so i don’t know how you could straight accuse me of that with no proof.

@ashlen
how does what i say, talking about cross console play have anything to do with PS4 PC cross play? MS has done PC crossplay since last gen. FF11 had PS2/Xbox 360/PC crossplay last gen. Shadowrun was a fun PC/Xbox crossplay game
Last Gen sony stated they won’t pay for exclusive games or exclusive content in games to make theirs seem better. https://www.engadget.com/20...
This gen Sony has been paying for 3rd party exclusive games and extra content (SF5? Destiny content, Call of duty timed exclusivity) So why have their policies changed? because business evolves

Aenea2314d ago

Can you back that up with some evidence or is it just a hunch?

Kribwalker2314d ago

@aenea
Back what up? That sony paid for SF5 and COD timed content? That people on ps4 would want crossplay? What do you want me to back up?

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

Xbox One owners who are tired of of searching for matches in games with dead lobbies and that is where most of the noise is coming from.

Imalwaysright2314d ago

"to make Sony look bad"

So it makes sony look bad? Ok... This right here tells EVERYTHING we need to know about this issue and how YOU truly feel about Sony not allowing crossplay. It's bad for gamers but lets defend Sony anyway...

Chevalier2314d ago

So lets get this straight. Xbox has Rocket League and Minecraft and little else in the way of crossplay games. PS4 has MORE crossplay games than Xbox yet are against it?! Sorry Krib facts suggest otherwise. Its an angle you want to use against PS4 as your usual tirades are just as idiotic. Want to explain why crossplay is MORE prevalent on PS4 over Xbox and Switch then? What a stupid argument.

Kribwalker2314d ago

@chevalier
gears 4
halo forge
forza 7
FH3
killer instinct
Halo wars
and more
All just first party cross play games. plus plenty of 3rd games that are crossplay too. but this discussion is about cross console play, like the switch and xbox are getting. but sony claims they are thinking about the children. So yes they are the ones that are against it.

UCForce2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@kribwalker @imalwaysright @septic Microsoft and Nintendo aren’t innocent like Sony. It’s not just business. It’s also competition that each company will do anything to gain the global market. You people know that, right ? And tell me this again, why MS haven’t reveal their sales number of Xbox One ? You know MS don’t want to show it because MS afraid of being humiliated. And look at Nintendo Switch, it sold more and faster than Xbox One Launch. About Cross play, Sony only crossplay with PC and some other Nintendo devices. But in mainstream gaming, Sony look at MS and Nintendo are rivals. And people said Business is War.

Aenea2314d ago

@krib

I reply to a specific post of yours, so don't be silly and assume it's a direct reply?

This: "outside of the bubble that’s N4G, there’s a lot of people that would like it from all sides"

Can you back your claim up with evidence that people want crossplay across consoles (which is the topic at hand, not timed exclusivity)

Chevalier2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

@Krib

Again your list proves my point. All those games ONLY have Xbox + PC compatibility and aren't options to crossplay with on PS4 or Switch either. So when it comes down to facts you got NOTHING backing you. You have yet to offer any 3rd party games outside of what Minecraft and Rocket League that actually offer crossplay beyond just Xbox + PC.

NONE of the titles even fit your own stupid argument!!! Completely irrelevant list. You suggest crossplay with Switch etc then ONLY list Xbox + PC crossplay. Makes no sense and goes against your own idiotic argument. Thanks for proving my point.

gears 4. Xbox and PC not available on PS4 or Switch
halo forge Xbox and PC not available on PS4 or Switch
forza 7 Xbox and PC not available on PS4 or Switch
FH3 Xbox and PC not available on PS4 and Switch
killer instinct Xbox and PC not available on PS4 and Switch
Halo wars again Xbox and PC not available on PS4 or Switch
and more. Like what?! More?! Again FACTS prove you wrong. PS4 has MORE crossplay. You have to list MORE to prove your point NOT just say and more like a talking point. How stupid are you? Lol.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

PS4 has more crossplay games. FACTS. Get some!

"But this discussion is about cross console play, like the switch and xbox are getting."

Again what are these phantom titles you are referring too?! I have yet to see these games you are talking about. Again FACTS don't back you up in the least.

"So yes they are the ones that are against it."

Again with your weak argument. How are they so against crossplay if they have the MOST crossplay titles of the big 3?! Xbox does not have much of a list that even compares to PS4. They have more games crossplay with outside systems like PC Steam. Xbox only has PC windows 10 and Xbox crossplay for the most part.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

So again you ar wrong as usual. The link proves it. Your opinion does NOT equal fact. The facts themselves and your own list prove how wrong you are. You go on a tirade and try to prove your Switch/Xbox/PC crossplay then list ONLY Xbox/PC crossplay was truly idiotic. Thanks for proving how dumb your argument really was. Now that your argument was destroyed want to get back on topi

Kribwalker2312d ago

@chevalier
What are you going on about? You said PS does more crossplay with PC then MS So i give you a list of just first party games that are xbox PC crossplay then you change the argument asking for Xbox switch crossplay telling me ive proved your point. What a moronic thing to suggest.
Only Rocket league and Minecraft do xbox/switch crossplay? considering cross console play has just become a thing the last couple months I’d say that’s a good start, since it’s 2 more cross console games then sony has.....
But wait, there’s more 😮
Mantis Burn Racing
Riptide GP Renegade
Crazy Justice
Chess Ultra
So there’s four more xbox/switch cross console play games, for something that just started and more games getting announced, it’s then currently 6-0 xbox/switch/PC crossplay vs PS4 cross console crossplay

You can claim PS4 has more crossplay with PC then xbox, because that’s true. But you can’t claim xbox only has Rocket league and minecraft crossplay because i gave you a list of first party games that were xbox/pc crossplay. To that you changed the argument, and said cross platform with the switch, for which again, It’s 6-0

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Gazondaily2315d ago

Yeah just because the hard-core Sony fanboys on here don't want It because of idiotic console war reasons doesn't speak for all those out on the real world with friends

yumi762315d ago (Edited 2315d ago )

We don't want it because we don't need it. Our servers are full of players.

P.S. I wouldn't want to game with you regardless of console.

Razzer2315d ago

You ask the average gamer what they think about cross play and most of them would save “what’s that?”

Gazondaily2314d ago

You ask the average player if you want to be able to play the same game with your mates on any platform they will say "Of course!"

"We don't want it because we don't need it. Our servers are full of players."

Lol what a load of bullshit. Your servers are 'full of players'! Okay lol

"P.S. I wouldn't want to game with you regardless of console."

Don't worry sunshine; I'm not asking to play with you 😂

XabiDaChosenOne2314d ago

You are just arguing semantics, you have no facts or evidence that suggest the majority of PS owners want cross play. You are just going off of he said she said BS and promoting a petty agenda.

Gazondaily2314d ago

@Xabi

"You are just going off of he said she said BS and promoting a petty agenda"

What agenda? Common sense dictates that people want to play with each other. he's chatting bullshit and so are you.

The fact that you guys are actually against crossplay and defending Sony in making excuses for it shows how petty your agenda is, DESPITE xplay being good for gamers. Its frankly rather pathetic.

Razzer2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

Who said I was against cross play, Septic. Talk about chatting bullshit? I said the PS community has shown little interest in cross play. Should Sony allow cross play just because a bunch of Xbox fanboys are yapping it up in console war centered forums? lol....Maybe you should be yapping at MS to allow their Windows 7 customers access to the Windows store so they can buy and play Forza 7 and Gears of War 4 with Windows 10 gamers.

Gazondaily2314d ago

@Razzer

"ho said I was against cross play, Septic. Talk about chatting bullshit?"

Did I say you were against xplay? But I bet you agreed with your mate yumi above who is against it:
"We don't want it because we don't need it. Our servers are full of players. "

Yeha chatting bullshit.

"I said the PS community has shown little interest in cross play. "

Yeah and im telling you, the hardcore sony fanboys on this site aren't representative of the masses.

thisismyaccount2314d ago

Build a time machine, fly back in time and do some research around the years 2005 - 2013 ...about the following subject :

A) shitty, lack there of Backward Compatibility on the 360 versus the PlayStation 2 BC of PS1 games
B) cross play situation during the PS360 days ... when M$ was in the lead (3rd party main platform) ..

Now a decade later ... it suddenly matters to you all!

"U no has BC!,Cross Play, U sak Soni!" "Arrrrrogant Soni iz bak!"

MainstreamGamer2314d ago

Hey Xbox fans you lost! Get over it.... better luck next gen.

Razzer2314d ago

Septic, your own damn words pal

“The fact that you guys are actually against crossplay ”

Maybe you should drop the “you guys” line then, huh?

And I neither agreed or disagreed with yumi. What the hell are you even yapping about?

gangsta_red2314d ago

@ xabi
"...you have no facts or evidence that suggest the majority.."

But razzor does? So show us the facts that suggest the opposite.

Gazondaily2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@Razzer

"Maybe you should drop the “you guys” line then, huh"

Why should I drop it? Read what your mate wrote:

"WE don't want it because we don't need it."

@gangster

"But razzor does? So show us the facts that suggest the opposite."

Lol exactly- but don't expect an answer for that one.

The notion that this only benefits Xbox gamers is so laughable. "We have enough players" as if there are so many players online per game on PS vs Xbox is such an idiotic sentiment.

Profoundly idiotic, thats what all these arguments are against crossplay.

Clunkyd2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@Septic
Seems like you're against everything Playstation.
So much insecurity with your comments lol

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Chevalier2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

@Septic

Your argument is garbage. PS4 + PC crossplay player count is already huge. Other than Minecraft and Rocket League how many games actually support crossplay. PS4 has MORE crossplay games. Is that an anomally? PS2 and PS3 also had crossplay and Sony has shown support for it more than Xbox over 3 generations. Currently regardless of whatever garbage you suggest on this idiotic tirade does NOT change the facts. PS4 has MORE crossplay games than Xbox and Switch combined. Fact. Xbox and PS4 launched at the same time,but, Xbox has LESS crossplay games. Fact. FF XIV is not on Xbox due to them not supporting crossplay previously. Fact. You bring little way of facts or statistics to back your OWN argument. FACT.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

Most crossplay between Xbox and PS4. PS4 wins handedly.

Razzer2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

“Why should I drop it? Read what your mate wrote:“

My mate? WTF are you talking about? This is not tag exam posting, Einstein. I post my own words. I speak for no one other than myself and no one else speaks for me Are you posting drunk? Yours posts here have been the most idiotic responses I’ve read in a while. Go sleep it off.

Gazondaily2314d ago

@Chevalier

What's so hard about this basic premise that it won't get through your skull? Why are you on about crossplay between PC and PS4?

We're talking about crossplay between the two main console platforms. You lot then deflect to PC.

"Other than Minecraft and Rocket League how many games actually support crossplay."

My days you lot still don't get it? If crossplay becomes an industry standard then you can expect that for ALL THIRD PARTY games like COD, Battlefield, Red Dead Redemption etc. All devs want to do crossplay and only the foaming at the mouth fanboys wouldn't want this.

@Razzer

"I post my own words. I speak for no one other than myself "

Are you thick in the head? The guy above you said "We dont want it" because apparently PS fans are a hivemind. You stopped discussing x play properly a few posts ago so the discussion with you ends here.

It's actually quite pathetic the behaviour of the Sony faithful here. It really sums up the lengths to which people will defend a corporation against a feature that benefits gamers.

Uniting gamers, because thats what xplay does, is a great thing but only such a toxic and short sighted lot would defend Sony so vehemently on such shitty baseless and weak arguments.

You guys may not have many friends playing on many different platforms but I do and x play becoming a standard is a no brainer. It should happen. End of.

Ashlen2313d ago

@Septic

The notion that this only benefits Xbox gamers is so laughable. "We have enough players" as if there are so many players online per game on PS vs Xbox is such an idiotic sentiment.

Actually it's not in NA games that would benefit are selling 2x as many units and in Europe they sell 4x as many units.

And if you don't believe people aren't interested look at the agrees/disagrees.

And of course the truth is you don't care beyond making Sony look bad.

Chevalier2312d ago

@Septic

Like Krib almost all the crossplay games on Xbox are Xbox + PC 1st party games.

What games outside of Rocket League and Minecraft go beyond PC and Xbox? You guys can't even list anything beyond those 2 titles!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

You makes it seem like its a problem for Playstation gamers yets here is a fact that destroys your argument. The combined PS4 + PC user base for crossplay is bigger than Xbox + Switch + PC combined!

"
We're talking about crossplay between the two main console platforms. You lot then deflect to PC. "

According to you Xbox fans PC is a platform too though. What games exactly are using this crossplay feature beyond Xbox + PC (mainly 1st party Xbox titles)???? Want to list this magica list of games?! Beyond the 2 Minecraft and Rocket League exceptions seems you got absolutely NO titles to back up your lame argument!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

Xbox might need to fill up their user base to keep the pool of players going, PS4 + PC seem to be fine.

gangsta_red2312d ago

@Chavelier

"Xbox might need to fill up their user base to keep the pool of players going, PS4 + PC seem to be fine."

That pool of player's sure did work for Lawbreakers, Gravity Rush 2, Titanfall 2 and Evolve.

Love how every comment from you guys parades PS4 + PC but just can't seem to discuss cross platform play with Xbox or Switch. You know, what this article and EVERY discussion is about.

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ChristopherJack2314d ago

Why should you or I care what Sony cares about? I'm a PC/PS4 gamer, literally threw my Xbox 360 into the bin a couple years ago & I'd take welcome the opportunity to play with my mates on whatever console they own if I could.

Beats shoving my head up my arse with the false hope that I'll always be able to instantly find a game- no matter the games age, my region or how specific I want the lobby to be.

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Chevalier2314d ago

Yeah PS4 has the most crossplay games and PS4 + PC pool is huge so missing a handful of Xbox players is not much of a problem. Sony also has more crossplay games so for a system that is so against it they seem to support it more than Xbox. So something is really off about these Xbox fans suggesting otherwise. Facts prove them wrong.

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ApocalypseShadow2315d ago

We've gone over this again and again. It's not a bad thing to have cross play. But Sony doesn't have to say yes to their competitor because their competitor wants it. Some of the community also seem to ignore the business side: The purchase of a console to play with your friends or relatives.

Microsoft had no problem saying no last Gen because gamers were buying Xbox 360s to play with their friends in the US and UK. It was BUSINESS to say no to Sony because that meant gamers had to buy an Xbox 360 and pay for XBL to play. That meant more money in Microsoft's pocket to say no.

Now the shoe is on the other foot and Sony has gone from being in the red and selling parts of their business, to being in the black making profits while still making some of the best hardware, some of the best games and fun new platforms like psvr.

Which also makes Sony money from online play with PSPlus and the purchase of their products not being sold at a loss as each product Sony sells now is sold above the cost to make it.

Sony are asked to cut into their sales, cut into their profits, cut into their PS Plus new activations to make Microsoft happy and give them some players to play with because they are losing and have less online players than Sony. But keep saying that XBL has the biggest online community or the best place to play which is false. I also doubt Microsoft has 30 million XBL paying accounts this Gen. They lost money losing to Sony this Gen. Not just from the failed DRM policies.

If cross platform happens, be it on current platforms, future platforms or vr, then great. More fun for everyone. But don't think for a minute that this isn't an attempt by Microsoft to cut into Sony's sales and profit making. Microsoft knows exactly what they are doing. Because Sony tried last Gen to cut into Microsoft's sales while attempting to appear nice. It's all BUSINESS.

TheRealHeisenberg2314d ago

100% agree. This is petty much the only worthwhile comment here.

DialgaMarine2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

Difference is Sony let it go when their were turned down; MS is throwing a full on temper tantrum and doing whatever they can to slander Sony and PlayStation.

NotoriousWhiz2314d ago

I don't know why you're making this about Microsoft. More and more games are releasing with xbox/pc/nintendo cross play. As the Switch gets more popular, combined they will overtake the playstation market share. Then it will be Sony with the smallest community for multiplatform games unless they hop on board.

RauLeCreuset2314d ago

@NotoriousWhiz

If that happens, and it becomes a problem where PS servers are barren, guess what. Sony can just switch their position, the same as MS did. It really is a self correcting problem.

NotoriousWhiz2314d ago

@Raul, they can and should, but for the record, barren servers aren't a problem for new games (usually). They are a problem for games that have been out for awhile. Adding cross play extends the length of these games for online multiplayer. Besides that cross play isn't going to kill Sony. They have a massive amount of high quality exclusives and that's not going to change just because their users can play with people on other platforms.

gangsta_red2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

MS didn't say no to Sony. The FF producer asked if MS would allow crossplay and MS rejected Square.

To my knowledge Sony never directly asked MS for crossplay for any game just sat in the background and reaped the praise of being a hero while the forums blew up against MS.

So game developers like Rocket League, Ark, Tekken and a couple of more are all working for MS and trying to cut into Sony console sales?

Seriously, listen to yourself.

You talk as if EVERY game will have crossplay.

The funny thing is crossplay with PC doesn't seem to be cutting into Sony's profits. No one is rushing out to buy a PC over a PS4 because they can play a crossplay game for PC instead.

In fact no one seems to mind crossplay with PC or make excuses for that but seem to go nuts when Xbox is involved. Maybe that is why your "servers are so full" because of PC players.

You truly believe that Sony's profits and console lead is so fragile that if they allow crossplay all of a sudden this gives MS some sort of edge to capitalize or cut into Sony's lead or Plus subscriptions?

One game MS themselves tried to crossplay with and that is Minecraft which is huge anyways. I don't know where a lot of you are coming up with these Legion of Doom style evil plans to cut into Sony's market lead.

Some of you seriously have to do better when defending this.

Chevalier2314d ago

@Gangsta
" You talk as if EVERY game will have crossplay. "

Yet PS4 having the most crossplay games is a fact.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

ChristopherJack2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

Why should you or I give a shit about what Microsoft did before? Fact is, both sides reversed their position, unfortunately for gamers- yet people defend it because... "they started it!"? You guys really going to go with that kindergarten rubbish? Or "not in Sony's best interest"? So, you a shareholder? Why should GAMERS care about business? We should be pushing what's best for us, not defending petty rivalries.

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Chevalier2314d ago (Edited 2314d ago )

The funny fact is PS4 has a huge pool between them and PC. Sony also has had more crossplay support over Xbox over the 3 generations with PS2, PS3 and PS4 and the MOST crossplay games, but, are categorically being targeted for NOT supporting crossplay. Seriously when has Xbox EVER had MORE crossplay games than PS4 for example? Never. If there was an explosion of crossplay games then sure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

PS4 easily destroys Xbox, but, does NOT support crossplay? Facts suggest otherwise yet we keep hearing the opposite. The most vocal being Xbox fans.

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