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Is The Xbox One X In Danger Of Being Dead On Arrival?

With Microsoft seemingly repeating history, find out why Screen Critics Shaun isn't optimistic about Microsoft's upcoming console.

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Christopher2430d ago

But it's sold out of limited edition...

KingKionic 2430d ago

Yeah people thirsty for da X in deez streets.

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VforVideogames2429d ago

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Is The Xbox One X In Danger Of Being Dead On Arrival?
L O L yeah feed those fans.

RacerX2429d ago

This will be the first Xbox I won't be getting at launch... Xbox, X360, and X1 were all day one for me, but I need X1X to come through with some 1st party games before I drop any more money.

Plus all the "replacement" Xbox's I've had to buy don't sit well with me anymore.

Bring on the games Ms! And then we'll talk.

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Christopher2430d ago

No. How can it be dead on arrival if all preorders are sold out? You can say low in stock, but not dead. Dead is the 1% market share in Japan, not this.

Dragonscale2429d ago

They were of the extremely limited scorpio version fgs.

G20WLY2429d ago

Unless they introduced another tranche of preorders, Chris, they're not sold out. This, despite their claims.

It's yet more MS PR spin and in your position, I'm surprised you're seemingly unaware.

Cobra9512429d ago

The limited "Scorpio" edition is sold out. That shouldn't be too surprising, since demand is often high for special items. But . . .

". . . the Xbox One X is relegated to getting 4K updates for existing games. It’s a baffling decision that robs the console of uniqueness. Imagine trying to sell the console to mainstream users without the use of 4K (something many people don’t have at this point). The fact is that 4K is desirable doesn’t make this device anymore compelling to budget conscious users."

I fully agree with this. The only thing selling the XOX right now is 4K. Many of us don't have 4K, or particularly want it. If the user could choose where the system power goes (like better rendering or frame rate at 1080p), then it would have a wider appeal. As it stands, no exclusive XOX games, and only the 4K crowd are going to get a benefit worth somewhere near the asking price.

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Christopher2429d ago

@G20WLY

Any place that allows pre-orders online seems to say otherwise.

rainslacker2429d ago

@Chris

WiiU sold out of preorders, and it was pretty DOA.

G20WLY2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

Now Chris, let's not imply the N4G members that have taken the time to share links to the contrary are liars. That's not nice.

It is true for some retailers in some countries.

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Eonjay2430d ago

I think the real question is what happens after launch.

timotim2430d ago

Well...Microsoft needs to continue to fix its issue they have had this year with slow first party releases. Sea of Thieves, Below, Crackdown 3 will all be good in the first half of 2018. Then its up to them to push 3rd party devs to push there best work (on consoles) for X. All indications points to devs using X to make there best multiplats going forward.

gamer78042430d ago

Tons of games are supporting it now. Tomb raider looks amazing

RosweeSon2429d ago

Months and months without games, standard for Xbox this gen

Kribwalker2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

Rosewee

There's not a single month that hasn't seen new games to play on my Xbox. Lack of exclusive games yes, but there's no lack of games to play. And all major releases this fall will be available as well, with the best version available on the OneX

rainslacker2429d ago

I'd imagine months of assumption and speculation on the actual sales of the console from the forum goers, coupled with some fancy PR talk from MS which will talk about how popular it is with no actual quantitative data to support their claim.

Just a hunch.

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chickensandwich19912430d ago

im from the netherlands and all major retailers are still taking pre orders

Cryptcuzz2429d ago

Uh oh.

Curious how it'll sale on launch.

If PS4 still win in sales on launch and the holidays, I can see major shake-ups at Xbox after.

Gh05t2429d ago

If it was DOA "limited" would still not be bought. There is a market for the console it isn't DOA and people can move the goal post all they want but just like this author they asked a question but didn't explain what DOA was to them. By what parameters is a premium console considered DOA?

chickensandwich19912430d ago (Edited 2430d ago )

very limited they said

KickSpinFilter2430d ago

Not to rain on your parade but it's probably a limited edition quantity of 500,000 to a million and I'm sure Amazon did not get them all to sell. So Amazon probably had 200,000.

Christopher2430d ago

So Amazon sold out of 200k in less than a day months before it will release? Sounds pretty good to me. Pro wishes it had those numbers when it was cheaper.

UltraNova2429d ago

Chris,

If Sony sells around 15 million ps4s during 2017 that means atleast 3 million will be Pros. That ratio will soon start to tip in favour of the Pro as we reach the end of this gen. So please, let know when the xb1 x does numbers like that, on a yearly basis.

Gh05t2429d ago

@Ultra
It won't but then again who is expecting the Xbox to sell as much as a PS right now? And just because it doesn't sell as much as PS does not mean it's DOA. DOA means no one wants it, selling 500,000 preorder before launch means there is a premium market for it.

Christopher2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

@Ultra please point out where I said Xbox would sell more than PlayStation. Saying it will do well doesn't mean it will be the best. But it's definitely not 'dead on arrival'.

KickSpinFilter2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

Based on previous Limited edition launches it's usually around 200,000 total, so that being said Amazon would only have a fraction of that. My 500,000 - 1 Million earlier guess was a very robust number.

rainslacker2429d ago

@Chris

I know you're smart enough to not use pre-order sell-outs as some kind of indicator of actual appeal of a major console.

It's great they have an audience, and I truly don't believe it'll be DOA because I think MS is probably not expecting it to sell as well as the stock console, but that also means they're not going to make more than they believe they'll sell, so they'll probably keep stock low to begin with. That doesn't equate to DOA, but it doesn't mean it's going to be this huge seller either.

UltraNova2428d ago (Edited 2428d ago )

@ghost

Never said the xb1x would sell bad nor that it will be DOA. I actually believe it will sell just fine in the same way as the PS4 Pro is but with platform proportional sale numbers.

@Chris
"Pro wishes it had those numbers when it was cheaper."

Since when does one day sale numbers dictate anything much less a winner? I guess the Wii U existed solely in my mind then...

That said the Pro has the numbers where they matter, on a steady monthly fashion not just on day one (3 million in 12 months is 250K per month)- numbers that are poised to increase due to price cuts and the ever expanding portfolio of all 3rd party games and true exclusives (+VR). Thats what I call a safe bet when it comes to sale predictions. Can you honestly say the same for the xb1x?

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Gh05t2429d ago

How many numbers is DOA?

butchertroll2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

Where? Looks like here isn't

https://www.gamestop.it/Pla...

Jez Corden said that it's sold out everywhere?
His tweet "ahead of expectations" is based on UK market only :

https://mobile.twitter.com/...

And how many units were available for preorders too? THAT'S THE MAIN QUESTION
And 2nd question is what were MS's expectations for XboneX preorders?

CaptainObvious8782429d ago

Unfortunately, all the die hards will buy it of course and continue to ignore and downplay all ms major problems, much like ninty fans do wth ninty.

So we might see marginal sales, but software sales aren't going to increase because it's selling to people that already have a xbone.

And considering how much ms would have spent on this and that they're selling the xox at a loss, I think it's already a failure and a huge waste of money that couldn't have gone towards exclusives instead.

RosweeSon2429d ago

Yeah because mosts places are getting 1... my local store we got 1 for pre order... 1? Microsoft trying the artificial demand route 🙄✌🏻

Chris122429d ago

Your local store > global audience. I despair sometimes.

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zivtheawesome2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

NEVER and i mean EVER base your expectations on pre orders (especially when the pre orders just started) as you don't know how much pre orders were on and that the early crowd doesn't hint at the actual sales.

tontontam02429d ago

bubububuuuut the userbase did not expand those who bought the limited edition already have an xbox one and an xbox one s.

holtzy2429d ago

sorry to tell you this but pretty much every console sold out on the only thing that means is that the people that wanted it got it. the real question is how will it sell in six months from now. so a console selling out at first means nothing.

Christopher2429d ago

Read the article which said dead on arrival and to which I am replying. No one said it would be the best selling, but it's definitely not dead on arrival either.

Rude-ro2429d ago

Day one editions were sold out too!! Although available for almost year after said claims.

saint_seya2428d ago

Wow that was so rude of you ro xDDDDDDDD

QUIMICOMORTAL2429d ago

and how many units were there? all consoles sell out at preorders, including Wii U!

That prooves nothing!

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Foxhound9222429d ago

To all the people saying preorders are sold out. News flash...they aren't. Only the limited edition is sold out on Amazon. Almost all other retailers have units available.

ziggurcat2429d ago

I am kind of upset that I missed the window to pre-order the limited edition version... stupid waking up too late, and seeing the notification after it had already sold out...

BadElf2429d ago

lol but all the fools on this site wont get that!

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ninsigma2430d ago

Nope. It's gonna sell very well at launch.

RosweeSon2429d ago

Yeah exactly that's great it'll sell very well at launch be a pretty big problem if they didn't however once the fans or exsisting customers have upgraded what then. Sales will trail off and until games start arriving console will just be in limbo again stuck with yearly churns

Gh05t2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

The key words are "DEAD" on "ARRIVAL" if it sells well at launch it means that it was not DOA...

Where did you people learn how to comprehend the vocabulary you use?

Dragonscale2429d ago

Maybe at launch, even vanilla xbone sold well at launch. Its after launch you need to worry about.

ninsigma2429d ago

@people above
I agree. I can't see it turning things around or doing extremely well past the launch. I'm just commenting within the context of the article.

Condemnedman2430d ago

"microsoft hasn't been clear who the X is for" serious gamers who want power there you go sorted

nX2430d ago

If you're so serious about gaming why don't you get a PC...? With Xbox you're missing out on the best games.

ThinkThink2430d ago

Serious question nX, Why would you get a PC when you can get an xbox one x for 500 dollars? So much cheaper and easier than having to deal with all of that other stuff. I mean, if you have the extra time and money and are less concerned with convenience.. then, i guess but even then.. I just don't see a reason to own a PC for gaming. If you have a PC already, then sure but to buy a PC specifically for gaming seems unnecessary. But, if that's how you want to spend your money, who am I to tell you different. I just want you to be happy nX.

zb1ftw7772430d ago (Edited 2430d ago )

Games on PC are either junk, or don't require any kind of high end power whatsoever.

Name me 5 triple A blockbuster games on the PC that utilise all the power of the PC and run at 4K 60fps.

I'll be waiting for your answer...

Lennoxb632430d ago

Most people can't afford and/or build a PC on par with the One X. Or even beyond it.

Doomeduk2430d ago

@zb1 does 4k mean that much to you? So if fighter within got a graphics upgrade you'd be shouting that from the roof tops?
I play the total war series so Xbox no use to me
PlayStation and PC makes me a happy chappy

RedSalmon2430d ago

@zb1ftw777

"Games on PC are either junk, or don't require any kind of high end power whatsoever.

Name me 5 triple A blockbuster games on the PC that utilise all the power of the PC and run at 4K 60fps.

I'll be waiting for your answer..."

Let's analyze.

1."Games on PC are junk."

Ummmm, no. Xbone has a shitty line up of games compared to even Playstation (that's why it's losing), never mind the massive array of games (from awful to amazing tbh) on PC. You need to get off the crack mate.

2. "or don't require any kind of high end power whatsoever"

Some do and some don't - like xbone. AMAZING DEDUCTION that different game require different levels of power. You are a genius.

3. "Name me 5 triple A blockbuster games on the PC that utilize all the power of the PC and run at 4K 60fps."

This is a such an open question, but also a very specific set of requirements: Define AAA, many games run at 4K 60fps but don't "utilise all the power of the PC" - which is great, some game "utilise all the power of the PC" but don't run at 4K 60fps, and their are tons of AAA blockbuster games on PC that run in all sorts of resolutions. That's what makes PC so useful / good.

A list of games that meet your very specific requirements? Lots of game run at 4K 60fps - Tomb Raider, Witcher 3, Shadow of Mordor, Advanced Warfare, Es5, GTA5, Destiny 2 will be able to, MG5.

Do they "utilise all the power of the PC"? Some of the time while playing them, yes.

If I want a box, with a limited line up of content, that just works no effort required, and be forced to buy another 3 or so years later? (although they seem to be selling games needed patches even on consoles these days) Well, I'd get a PS4 Pro to be honest. Otherwise, PC every time.

LastCenturyRob2429d ago

Why on earth pay for a pc where the games are rarely optimized and far too many times cross plats play better on console.

dms52232429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

Love this question.

I'd rather the developers fine tune their software to run the best it can on my hardware rather than the opposite (me having to optimize my hardware for their software). I'm lazy. I also don't wanna be tempted to upgrading this and that every year or every other year. I just want to plug in a box to my TV and not think about it but I still want excellent performance and I don't want to spend $1000 (edit: just saw the other front page article - actually it would cost $1600 for the same performance per that article).

Dragonscale2429d ago

@think, with 500 bux I wouldn't get a scorpio lol.

Cueil2429d ago

Some people don't want to play on PC. I'm not sure why people find this so hard to understand. There are millions of gamers who don't want to deal with PC game despite how much it's matured

Gh05t2429d ago

Why do people think that you cant have both a console and PC. And anyone who games on both would know that there arre benefits to both consoles and PC.

Arnon2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

@ThinkThink

"Why would you get a PC when you can get an xbox one x for 500 dollars?"

Because consoles are PC's that have been modified to be proprietary and only play games well. A PC is non-proprietary and is capable of doing well in everything that it can do, including games. So investing $200-$300 more in a PC will grant you far more opportunity than a console will.

It's like asking "Why invest the money in a car when you can drive a Vespa? A Vespa is capable of getting you around just like a car, so you don't need all of that extra space and power." The reason people invest in a car over a Vespa is because it's worth the extra investment; more seating, more luggage room, more horsepower and torque to allow the car to go further distances, etc..

If you think about what a PC can do (nearly anything) and then compare that to what a console can do, then you'll know why people would invest in a PC over a console. Furthermore, all games on X1X will be on PC, but not all PC games will be on X1X.

Condemnedman2425d ago

I'm not interested in PC gaming I'll agree it's more powerful but I prefer console gaming

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OffRoadKing2429d ago

If your interested in power PC would be the better choice, plays all the same games as xbone x and can run them better. Maybe you meant for the console gamer who wants to brag about Tfloppies.

Gazondaily2429d ago

If you're interested in power then of course you would get the most powerful console in the world. People downplaying the power because of the "but PC" brigade clearly don't get it

OffRoadKing2429d ago

@Septic

And people acting as if power is the real reason to buy a console clearly dont get it either, but I wouldn't expect anything less from you Septic, congrats on going a whole comment without typing "The Beast".

bouzebbal2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

consoles are remembered by their games, not power.
the reason why 90's is the golden age of gaming! There was no power fight between manufacturers it was all about the software.
fanboys keep hyping this thing.. LOL

Gh05t2429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

@bouzebbal

"the reason why 90's is the golden age of gaming! There was no power fight between manufacturers it was all about the software."

Nintendo slogan during the 90's "Now you are playing with power"

Nintendo Magazine During the 90's "Nintendo Power"

Then when the SNES came out "Now you're playing with power; SUPER POWER!"

And GameBoy "Now you're playing with power; PORTABLE POWER!"

Sega hit back with "Sega can what Nintendont" <- Wasnt about the games, it was about the hardware capabilities.

But no go ahead and think that "Power" was never an issue between consoles in the 90's. Or grow up and realize it may not have been an issue for you but this has always been around.

XStation4pio_Pro2429d ago

In reply to your weird PM since you blocked me:

I drive a bmw m235i. :)

Please, bear with my while I try to explain my POV as I want to illustrate my point full circle.

The xbox One X is being sold at a loss. To me that says the tech is new enough to be worth the cost. period. whether thats high for a console or not, its still cheap for what you'd have to spend on a pc for the same performance.

The fact is that the xbox one and ps4 game libraries are more similar than they are different. I know because I own a ps4 pro and 2 xbox one s'. Yes the ps4 has more exclusives, and yes exclusives are important but 90% of the games we play are not exclusive to either platform. Id love to own the system thats going to play most available games better - from a performance standpoint as the content is mostly similar.

This brings me to my disagreement with you and power/price. In computing, power is everything. Perfect example. I play gta5 (not an exclusive) the most. Started on xbox 360, then the One. Got the PS4 Pro. found out about boost most. Now I play gta5 on the Pro. Why? The loads are faster, the frame rates are better and it looks better because it gets upscaled to 4k. Power made a big difference. Its a better experience. Any game with PS4 Pro enhancements right now I automatically buy over the xbox one S because they just run and look better.

Most games are multiplatform, power is what separates advantages and benefits. More RAM means longer draw distances, more objects and higher rez textures, with less loads. More GPU means more resolution, more stable frame rates or even higher frame rates, in addition to more render effects, shadows etc. That stuff matters.

$500 for the performance of a $1600-1700 rig is a bargain. I'll gladly pay $500 to have most of the games released run better. I paid $400 for the Pro so an extra $100 for significant gains (and a uhd bluray w/ dolby atmos support) is a nonissue. I would have paid more for the Pro too.

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KingKionic 2430d ago

Signs point to a over million sold for launch week for sure.

Da X is bringing the heat.

Christopher2430d ago

Okay, not sure about that. The limited edition is really limited.

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travestyj2430d ago

No you can't determine that because amazon sold out of limited stock. The PS4 Pro sold out right away when it went up for preorder and the same with PSVR. Both were best sellers on Amazon before and on release.

MrSec842430d ago (Edited 2430d ago )

@ImGumbyDammit: The thing is your insisting this must be true without any actual shipment data for Xbox One X.
We know what Sony sold because they've told the world, they pushed 9.7 Million units in Q3 of 2016, sure that was partly prior to Pro's launch, but most console sales are happening when the major games and deals start, like Black Friday.
Sony sold at least 7 million units from BF onwards until Dec 31st 2016, so we can make an educated guess that 1.4 million Pro's were sold by December 31st.
You can't ignore the holidays, PS4's sold 13 Million units since Pro released, if Pro's sold 20%of those worldwide numbers, that means it's sold 2.6 Million units.

Xbox One X hasn't sold those kinds of numbers, it's far more likely shipments were small, given XB1s haven't been selling that well, plus Amazon would only get a fraction of total launch stock.
No game releasing now is hitting huge quantities to tear up the charts and at the lower sales points of a chart the numbers aren't going to be that far apart, items could be separtated by very few sold through units.

Even if X came in at #1 and Pro was #90 on Amazon US's chart that only gives you a tiny snap shot of data, what about all the other weeks or every other retailer or every country?

FITgamer2430d ago

How are they going to sell over a million at lunch when Microsoft if only expected to ship 500K by the end of 2017?

KingKionic 2430d ago

Microsoft has not put out any numerical estimation for xbox one x sales.

So it can be anything. Definitely will blow pass 500K no doubt about that.

FITgamer2430d ago (Edited 2430d ago )

*launch
According to marketing firms that's how many are expected to ship. You guys throwing these ridiculous numbers around are setting yourselves up to look stupid.

At least yours isn't as bad as dcbronco saying 4-5 million by years end.

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letsa_go2429d ago

All of a sudden, sales matter again! hahahaha "I play games, not sales" - xbox fanboys a little while back

Dragonscale2429d ago

@letsa_go, and powah lol.

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Shin-Zantetsuken2430d ago (Edited 2430d ago )

Dude, dont do that. Please have mercy on yourself. You are setting yourself up for a massive crow-serving with that kind of talk. These mid-gen upgrades have VERY small markets given how few people own 4K TVs and how much these consoles cost compared to base versions. Even PS4 Pro sales ratio is only 1 out of every 5 PS4s sold. Xbox One X's market is even smaller because of smaller Xbox One installed base and lack of exclusives to showcase all that power. A million people are not going to spend $500 on a mid-gen upgrade within one week just to play the same old games with some improvements.

OffRoadKing2429d ago

Whats signs are those exactly?

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FallenAngel19842430d ago

It'll do well for what it's being sold as, but it won't completely kick XO sales into overdrive

TheUndertaker852430d ago

Why wouldn't it seeing as they can bulk in Xbox One X numbers with Xbox One S and Xbox One numbers like Sony does with the PS4 Pro?

Allsystemgamer2430d ago

Um. That's not what he was saying.

nitus102429d ago (Edited 2429d ago )

We know that the PS4pro is selling one in five PS4's sold (ie. 20%) http://www.playstationlifes... but the same can't be said for the XB1x compared to the XB1s since the XB1x is not even available for two and a half months.

Sure pre-order can help gauge the purchase of the XB1x but the problem is Microsoft has been very quiet about overall XBox console sales so information can only come from third party statical parties such as VGChartz.

Yes, I know allot of people quote VGChartz as a source of gaming statistics who are fairly open with how they collect their statistics. There are other statics sites but they are normally behind a restrictive paywall so if anyone knows a reasonable gaming data collection site that is supposedly better than VGChartz please share.

BTW. Assuming the XB1x sells at about 20% of all XB1 sales from November and since the XB1 is sales are effectively less than one in two PS4 sales the PS4pro is still going to outsell the XB1x by a considerable margin which conservatively speaking would be about the one in two console sales and I have not even taken the Nintendo Switch sales into account.

Cueil2429d ago

because you'll never see those numbers... assuming current leadership stays in power of course

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