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Crackdown 3’s Delay Is Yet More Evidence Of The Systemic Problem Microsoft Is Facing

The Xbox's state of exclusives and first party games is alarming.

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WePlayDirty2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Xbox has always had lackluster exclusives and new IP with the exception of their Halo, Gears, Forza combo. (there has been a Forza game every year since 2011). It's too bad they cancelled Scalebound. I would have purchased an Xbox One S for that.

Liqu1d2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

It's funny how they say they're committed to Crackdown but couldn't show that same commitment for Scalebound.

WePlayDirty2440d ago

"We're working hard to deliver an amazing lineup of games"........

freshslicepizza2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

@Liqu1d
"It's funny how they say they're committed to Crackdown but couldn't show that same commitment for Scalebound."

Why? It's two different projects. Maybe they didn't like the direction one was going and felt it was money wasted. Projects get cancelled on all platforms, you should know that. But there is a systemeic problem at Microsoft as far as in-house studios and making games within. I don't think Scalebound was going to be all that successful but of course more selection is better. When they first showed it I don't recall a lot of positive feedback for it.

http://n4g.com/news/1775008...

http://n4g.com/news/1773302...

http://n4g.com/news/1768428...

Not much talking about how good it looks.

nX2440d ago

^funny how moldy still plays the Xbox defense force after being caught redhanded stating twisted facts and bullshit countless of times, he must be the stupid robot Microsoft has been developing for over 10 years now

itsmebryan2440d ago

THow is that funny? Crackdown 3 is made by them and Scalebound was not. Please explain.

Obscure_Observer2440d ago

@Liqu1d

Like you care about Scaleboud. Gimme a break! Lol!

pinkcrocodile752440d ago

That could be turned around to suggest this:

"It's funny that they're committed to Horizon Zero Dawn but couldn't show the same commitment for No Man's Sky"

Now this statement is bullshit of course, HZD was delayed but was released when it was ready and brilliant to boot. No Mans Sky was a ps4 exclusive wasn't first party just like platinum games.

I'm not defending MS here I'm just making sure the same yard stick is used for both Microsoft AND Sony.

Here, liquid is using one for Sony and another for MS and that's... well it's b0ll0cks isn't it!

Liqu1d2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

@itsmebryan Crackdown has multiple developers working on it and as far as I'm aware they are all independent so neither game is made by MS. Both Crackdown and Scalebound received funding from MS, they chose to cease funding and development on Scalebound yet continue to fund Crackdown. They have shown more commitment to Crackdown than the more interesting Scalebound.

@pinkcrocodile75 Poor comparison. Firstly, No Man's Sky isn't a PS4 exclusive. It's self published by Hello Games on Steam and PSN, Sony handled marketing and physical distribution, nothing more. Secondly, the game actually released, sold well and is still being supported. You can't say the same about Scalebound because it wasn't even given a chance.

MrSec842440d ago

@pinkcrocodile75: No Man's Sky wasn't cancelled and it isn't a PS4 exclusive, the IP is owned by Hello Games, who are an independent, private, self owned developer.

FYI Hello Games released NMS, sure they made promises that were supposed to be delivered at the game's launch, but despite falling short in many gamer's eyes they've continued to work on the game and improve it to fulfil those initial promises.

Your argument isn't valid because NMS wasn't cancelled, it isn't an exclusive and the IP isn't owned by Sony.
There aren't any examples one can use for Sony revealing an exclusive within this generation, promising it would release on a PlayStation home console and then cancelling it after multiple showings at various gaming events that have taken place since the initial announcements of this generation of consoles.

Microsoft had made promises Scalebound would release, same is true of Fable Legends and yet both were cancelled after many showings at E3s and other games conferences.

nix2440d ago

Who are these Xbox defenders? I always thought we never had any huge number of Xbox defenders on this site. This is surprising because that's what we've been told all this time.

Godmars2902440d ago

@pinkcrocodile75:

"It's funny that they're committed to Horizon Zero Dawn but couldn't show the same commitment for No Man's Sky"

You mean...released it, unlike MS with Scalebound? Fable Legends?

Can hardly argue NMS released in the state it was, but can regarding that it was released.

And Sony's fault with it was in with promotion while failing to follow up on publicly made claims as well as general development. Whereas with Scalebound and MS it was something, by way of canceling it, they apparently were actively involved with. I still insist that the insistence of online multi to the apparent single player game was the root of it's issues.

FinalFantasyFanatic2440d ago

@nix,

I'm pretty sure it's the same people with multiple accounts going on the defense, even the more hardcore xbox owners are realizing xbox has an issue with developing and maintaining new and old ips this gen. Or they've jumped to other consoles while they wait for Microsoft to fix the issue if they ever do.

pinkcrocodile752439d ago

@liquid, Jesus, you didn't read my post at all.

I know No Mans Sky was third party and console exclusive I said as much in my post.

I stand by my point though, you have a stick for hitting MS and a pillow for hitting Sony. Not cool dude.

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Why o why2440d ago

Dead horse now

Old news

Evident from last gen

Only those in denial can't see

WePlayDirty2440d ago

The disagree squad is out in force today.. Does one person have like 15 accounts?

chrisx2440d ago

@darkdragonite yea its either some hacker is doing that or maybe even an admin

elmachooo2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

at ^^^
sooo.. just so we're clear... when anyone else disagrees about negative xbox comments suddenly it's a hacker? compared to everyone agreeing with xbox negativity, it's justified. or maybe that everyone has to agree with everyone's "hardware of choice" in order not to be classified a hacker... ...right?

chrisx2440d ago

@elmacho, when the disagree goes from 2 to 25 in like 30 seconds, yea somethings definately fishy about that. Its obvious

elmachooo2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

the disagreeing should be slower then? by the way I've seen this place go fast with the agrees and disagrees on playstation comments too. does that mean there are playstation hackers too? or does that mean people strongly disagree or agree?

WePlayDirty2440d ago

@elmachooo... No. I'm just saying the disagree squad is out in force today. Are you triggered?

elmachooo2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Not as triggered to be vocal like every playstation gamer in this thread it seems. over hundreds of comments in every crackdown 3 thread i notice... seems completely natural for N4G though to be honest.

DevilOgreFish2440d ago

phantom disagrees have been a part of n4g. maybe it's time for the system to be removed. maybe then everyone can speak as gamers.

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WePlayDirty2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

@elmachooo, i'm just amazed i can suddenly go from 4 dislikes to 25 without any change to the agrees. Wouldn't you find that odd as well?

andrewsquall2440d ago

@DARK--DRAGONITE What's even more fishy is the bizarre amount of disagrees WITHOUT any sort of defense comment whatsoever. Normally when its even 10 Agrees to 5 Disagrees you get at least one person who wants to challenge and explain why they disagree.
Lol when its 10 Agrees to 25 Disagrees across the whole article and not a PEEP from anybody except people defending the disagrees lol, yeah there is bullshit afoot.

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UnSelf2440d ago

These "authors" are just so....smh. its laughable at this point.

GTA got delayed and it was a gospel sang from the heavens, praising the extra development time as the second coming

Now MS wants to delayed Crackdown 3 for more development time and now these articles about the Xbox X being in peril because of it.

If the Xbox X is in danger, believe me, the last reason is because they delayed a game

Ashlen2440d ago

How about a delayed Crackdown plus canceled games, closed studios the fact there has only been one retail exclusive this year and it didn't even crack a 80 meta no real future outlook for games minimal third party exclusive support plus statements from management about how single player games are no longer relevant and that games as a service with micro-transactions are the future?

UnSelf2440d ago

as i said, if the xbox is doomed its not because they delayed a game to make it better.

its for a litany of other reasons

Liqu1d2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

The delay wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that they will only have 1 big 1st party game this year which is another Forza and they had Halo Wars 2 early in the year. Microsoft's 1st party support is honestly terrible. The Switch will have more exclusives in it's first year than Xbox had in 2016/2017.

Thatguy-3102440d ago

Joke is on you for comparing a delayed Rockstar game which is GTA to a developer that doesn't even come close to providing the quality that Rockstar is known to provide.

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bluefox7552440d ago

True, but when you look at those 3 franchises, they've been going down in ratings. The last few entries in each franchise are some of the lowest in each respective series. I think part of this is due to the fatigue of the same game being rehashed over and over.

Obscure_Observer2440d ago

@bluefox755

Forza Horizon 3 disagrees

Vandamme212440d ago

Microsoft please, please, please, give them Halo 5 ODLC, please.
Lol.

princejb1342440d ago

Be serious with yourself. Scalebound looked trash since the first time they showed it.
Yea the human/dragon combo concept is cool but the gameplay was trash

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chrisx2440d ago

Ms needs to go back to the drawing board

nX2440d ago

MS is fine, but Xbox is doomed.

franwex2440d ago

Xbox is fine too, they just need to double down on their 1st party offerings.

FinalFantasyFanatic2440d ago

Nothing wrong with the hardware as far as Xbox is concerned, it's the lack of games that hurts the console and forces people to chose one of the others.

Eidolon2440d ago

Exactly, MS is fine fore sure. Xbox as a competitor to PS4 for exclusive content is a failure, but it will still be profit for MS, so I don't see a problem. They've given up on being a "direct" competitor like Xbox was to PS2 or 360 to PS3, they are now aiming for the "One" platform, don't see anything wrong with that,

FallenAngel19842440d ago

Well Microsoft's first party problems are something that's been going on for a decade now, so it's nothing new.

Nyxus2440d ago

I don't think it's ever been as glaring as it is now.

WePlayDirty2440d ago

Granted, they have tried to make new IP, like Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Recore, D4, State of Decay, Sea of theives, Ori, Cuphead... None of them personally give me a reason to buy the console.

nX2440d ago

It was always bad tho, that's why I never even thought about buying a Xbox. It's a console for dense dudebros.

WelkinCole2440d ago

Yes but its has not gotten better. As a matter of fact it has gotten worse on xbox fans lord and savior Phil Spence.

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corroios2440d ago

Microsoft need to buy studios. To Spent billions or else.... The only new ip that was any good this gen was Sunset Overdrive. They should have bought Insomniac and also Sega, because they got tons of IPs.

This just show that they dont have any plan for the future. ,

WickedLester2440d ago

You say that assuming Sega and Insomniac want to be bought.

corroios2439d ago

im just saying they need strong studios, good studios. Those are two that with have good ip and make good games.

Without strong studios delivering games its over. Hype comes from games and not power.

TheColbertinator2440d ago

Insomniac will remain independent after the disaster of working with EA

TheEnigma3132440d ago

They went back to sony where they're bread was buttered.

Liqu1d2440d ago

@TheEnigma Still independent though.

Xenophon_York2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Yeah, no thanks. After what Microsoft did to Rare and Lionhead....

letsa_go2440d ago

Seriously! Good point...we had to wait like 20 years for a proper followup to banjo kazooie. People had been wanting one for years, and microsoft just sits on all those IPs. All the people had to leave Rare and start Playtonic just to make the game people wanted them to make.

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FallenAngel19842440d ago

What tons of IPs do Insomniac own?

Also buying studios isn't going to solve Microsoft's issues. The way they handle their own studios is very problematic. Just look at why Bungie, their previous star player, left.

_-EDMIX-_2440d ago

completely agreed I don't simply think it's as easy as by a bunch of Studios I actually believe the real problem has been the way Microsoft has treated these Studios.

So I don't think it's as simple as by a bunch of Studios I think they also need to actually be committed to making new properties with those Studios and actually letting those Studios openly create.

It's basically like as soon as lionhead couldn't make them a fable game they threw them to the Dust.

What about a new IP? Sony has purchased so many studios that over the years they've went on to make new intellectual properties irrelevant to the games they were making when they were first purchased it's like Microsoft can't see this and I actually believe Microsoft for the most part is only buying these Studios to obtain a specific intellectual property not necessarily to have an actual coherent team.

KillZallthebeast2440d ago

Sony has tried buying insomniac ever since they also bought naughty dog. They have always stated they want to remain an independent studio.

_-EDMIX-_2440d ago

I don't disagree with you that Microsoft needs to purchase Studios but the Studio's that you actually named and even that publisher I actually don't believe would want to even be purchased.

When you look at sega's perspective they're not going to sell themselves to a company that also does not sell Japanese games very well because it does not help their own employees.

In fact it greatly jeopardizes the future of all employees at that company considering on Microsoft has treated companies like that in the past.

Insomniac has never shown any interest in wanting to be purchased for god sakes even Sony was an able to purchase insomniac.

If anything crytek still has some teams that could be purchased and I O Interactive could use a good home there's lots of teams that could be purchased but there's lots of teams that they could technically build from the ground up.

The biggest problem I have it's not really that Microsoft doesn't have a lot of teams it's actually that Microsoft has never really even shown that they were bothered by not having enough teams in the first place it's not as if this situation is some sort of accident or unbeknownst to them.

Trust me Microsoft's nonchalant attitude about the situation is actually much more scary than them simply not having any teams, it's the fact that their actions have shown that this situation isn't even a big deal to them.

I think we all know what Microsoft needs to do whether or not they even want to do it is the real problem.

majedx92439d ago

"Microsoft needs to buy studios. To Spent billions or else"
i said that before they spent $500M on Kinect marketing like WTF😖😑😖 they could buy AAA IPs with that kind of money.

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Tencent to buy Crackdown and Sackboy developer Sumo in $1.3bn deal

Tencent is set to buy Sumo Group in a deal worth $1.27bn (£919m), the companies have announced.

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Darkborn1010d ago

Tencent is really buying up everything. I'm surprised everyone is selling to them like this.

Rebel_Scum1010d ago

They want/need capital I guess.

darthv721010d ago

No way they are worth that much. They are a support studio. I guess tencent decided to throw them an insane price that Sumo would be crazy to turn down.

Its like the godfather. "Im going to make you an offer you cant refuse"

UltraNova1010d ago

Always the case.

Who owns the rights to Crackdown and Sackboy IPs though?

boing11010d ago

I've heard some time ago, that they created a special unit that has a mission to search for acquirable devs all around the globe.

-Foxtrot1010d ago

Going off their business practices they seem like a cancer in this industry

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blacktiger1010d ago

chinese currency, no limit in printing, but they are selling in USD

PrinceAli1010d ago

Maybe because they're a publisher of games with a history of success loool..?

barom1010d ago

Even Microsoft can’t compete with that kind of money.

Zeref1010d ago (Edited 1010d ago )

Uhm yes they can.. What do you mean?

Zeref1010d ago

Money talks, Besides, those developers don't need to worry about income anymore.

enkiduxiv1010d ago

I doubt anyone that matters to the actual production of the games is getting a raise. The only thing that has changed is that now they can't buy any Winnie the Poo products for their kids.

senorfartcushion1010d ago

Well they’re allowed. America and China are leading the world in toxic capitalism.

n1kki61010d ago

As publicly traded companies it's either they sell and potentially get more, or tencent initiates a hostile takeover and buys at least 51% of the shares. These companies might not even be amicable to the buy out but opt to take it because hostile takeovers are terrible.

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frostypants1010d ago (Edited 1010d ago )

Yep. A company that built itself by ripping off IP of small, innovative developers and out-marketing them. Tencent is everything wrong not just with gaming but corporate ethics in general, and the assymetric regulatory playing field we for some reason permit from the Chinese government. Egregiously corrupt companies like Tencent should be banned from the US market.

senorfartcushion1010d ago

The US market would take Tencent to dinner and have it naked on the bed by midnight if it could. America and China are as bad as each other

Lightning771010d ago

They can take Sumo those devs really aren't that great. Sack boys big adventure scored good however but Crackdown 3 wasn't great. They're 50/50 Sony will find a suitable replacement for Sack boy. MS desperately needs a suitable replacement for crackdown, if it's not already too late in terms of fanfare at this point.

Sumo to me isn't that big of a deal there are better devs out there.

senorfartcushion1010d ago

Crackdown 3 was cancelled and remade a few times. Hardly their fault.

darthv721010d ago

This is the same Sumo who made Outrun 2, 2006 Coast to Coast, Sonic Racing Transformed as well as Forza Horizon 2 on the 360. I think they are better than you give them credit for.

Wulfer1010d ago

You might want to walk this statement back. Why else do you think this game goes for over $200 now?

https://www.ebay.com/p/5144...

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ScootaKuH1010d ago

I'm surprised Sumo are valued so high

solideagle1010d ago

yeah, thats what I thought. $1.3 billion is very high, Insomniac sounds like a bargain deal for Sony!

chadwarden1010d ago

And they likely bought Housmarque and Bluepoint for even less than Insomniac.

phoenixwing1010d ago

at the two above me,
it's easy to sell for less when you know you're in good hands business and culture wise. I mean sure you could scratch out some extra money elsewhere but are all the people you know going to be taken care of when you get bought out? Sony takes care of them. Basically you can tell who's a scheming money scumbag by what ceo's/execs choose to be bought by. In the end money talks but there's extras to consider sometimes.

roadkillers1010d ago

I am as well. They do not own any IPs from my understanding...

DOMination-1010d ago

Me too! After looking them up, it seems like they were the parent of other game studios: Lab42, Red Kite, Sumo India, The Chinese Room and PixelAnt Games and also have some cryptocurrency technology.

They may also still hold the IP for back when they were Gremlin Interactive.. back in the Amiga days they were really a dev of some repute.

ScootaKuH1010d ago

Gremlin. Now there's a name that takes me back. Ocean as well.

Teflon021010d ago

They're not, it's likely them just throwing money around to make sure they have no opposition. Sumo is a valuable developer as they've assisted in alot of great games. They did LBP3, Sackboy, Sonic Transformed, I believe Assisted in both ModNation Racers and LBPK, Team Sonic racing, just to name the few off the top of my head that I own.

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IRetrouk1010d ago

I honestly thought ms or Sony would have nabbed them, seeing as they have worked for both on their respective ips, colour me surprised.

Bennibop1010d ago

It's a lot of money for a group with no ips, what would they have worked on to keep so many studios and staff employed. For now at least they continue working on ips for the likes of Sony and Microsoft.

IRetrouk1010d ago

Sony and ms have more than enough ips to keep em busy, the price would have been an issue though, that I agree with, just surprised is all🤷‍♂️

frostypants1010d ago (Edited 1010d ago )

Tencent doesn't exactly pride themselves on original IP anyway. They just steal someone else's. They only need developer drones.

Sephiroushin1010d ago

They have enough to make them busy but there is no point in buying the studio that high, they could just make the developers some offers and thats it... heck every single developer could just quit the studio and with what is tensen left? no point in buying a studio with no IP you dont own the developers

IRetrouk1010d ago

I already agreed that the price was high, still don't take away that they could have been used, and be useful to either ms or sony

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Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Preview/Hands on Impressions (BETA) - CG

Microsoft recently released their Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Beta which allows users the opportunity to stream Xbox games to their Windows 10 PCs or laptops. This follows on from being able to use the cloud gaming on mobile devices which works very well but is limited to the size of your screen. Having the option to play Xbox games with a larger display has its obvious benefits.

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Crackdown 3 8K 60 FPS - Possible at Low-Medium Settings with an RTX 3090

CG writes: Nvidia’s claims that the RTX 3090 can render games in 8K at 60 FPS, ring true for us in this video. We put the game Crackdown 3 through its paces with some interesting results.

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bunt-custardly1287d ago

If you've ever super-sampled anything you would know why it can make things look better.

bouzebbal1287d ago

Let's talk about powahhhh of da clawwdd for a second 🤣did they give up with this thing?

bunt-custardly1287d ago

Oh right, I didn't get the joke sorry, it just clicked. Hmm, is Crackdown 3 really that bad/universally hated especially as it's on gamepass?

SullysCigar1287d ago

My attempt at humour could have been clearer, in hindsight..!

Yeah, sadly Crackdown 3 had been hyped so hard and so long by Microsoft, that when it launched as a mediocre game, it got panned. It was mainly the broken promises about the power of the cloud I think that did it. This was the 'cloud power' poster child for years and it all amounted to nothing, which is a real shame, because if they'd realised their initial vision it could have been special.

bunt-custardly1287d ago

I do remember the original vision where entire buildings could be demolished but wasn't that feature relegated to the multiplayer mode? For me, Crackdown 3 comes across quite generic. I suppose if it had the full destruction in the story mode that would have been bad-ass. If Red Faction Guerrilla can do it why not CD?

FanboySpotter1287d ago

Crackdown 3 was made for crackdown fans. Hated by non crackdown fans. Enjoyed by crackdown fans.

MadLad1287d ago

I played it on PC for a little while via gamepass. It's not nearly as terrible as people would try to make it out to be, but it's the definition of a "meh" game.
There's fun to be had if you're bored.

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andy851287d ago

It's good it's possible but who would pick this over 4K60 on ultra? It would look far better

IanTH1287d ago

100%. This is obviously just showing what can be done with the current highest end hardware, rather than what should be. And if you're splashing out for an RTX 3090 over a 3080 for gaming (small performance delta if not using that huge buffer for productivity), then I guess you'll also consider splashing out for an 8k screen. And, I mean, you'll want to be able to do *something* with it lol.

outsider16241287d ago

Let's be honest here, even with extra high settings at 8k 120fps... it'll still look like crap. Sorry.

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