"Sony also said no to Nintendo years ago for a game called Pure Chess."

Oh the agony!!!

"Wasting everyone's time when at the end of the day it was all politics within their own company."

Look Moldy, Sony currently has cross play with a large number of games that are also on PC. They simply don't want to have crossplay with Xbox. Get over it.

@Space

not only that they dont want cross play, they dont need it. MS does. When Ms was forced to give refunds on AW for win 10 it tells you something about it.

Still confused why Ms didn't make cross play with win 10 pcs and xbox mandatory for that version.

And you have to stop viewing this like a sony obligation

Crossplat goes AGAINST their business

What is the primary goal of an enterprise? To profit

Nobody is defending sonys position but we must understand it from the business point before judge them

Didn't Nintendo screw Sony over when they had a partnership and were working together on the SNES cd by cancelling the deal and partnering with Sony's rival Philip years ago as well?

@ Moldy

You just can't help yourself can't you? Why would Sony ever want to give their competitors MS and Nintendo any kind of advantage. Cross play helps Sony how? I don't see many PS gamers clamoring for this feature either. Cross play helps both Nintendo and MS because they have smaller install bases you can cry and whine all you want but like I said before not many PS gamers care about cross play because if they did they would already have let Sony know that this is something they want and put pressure on them to make it happen.

I dunno why all these irrelevant things that were never a big deal before is all of a sudden such a big deal. First it was backwards compatibility but now its cross platform play.

Thats great that microsoft and nintendo want to take advantage of cross platform play. I hope Xbox owners enjoy playing with nintendo owners. All my friends i game with only have play station so no personal incentive for me to want to play with Xbox owners. But i can see if one of my friends had only Xbox how he would be interested in this feature. Fortunately for me my friends were smart and chose the console we could all play on.

How about we wait for it to actually happen? You criticize Sony for leading developers on, but have any of these companies that are on board with it actually made good on this sudden sense of community and integration?

Doubt it. Stop talking as if it's definitely happening. I wouldn't mind it happening, but you act like Microsoft and Nintendo have anything to show for it yet. I'll go one step further: you act like Microsoft and Nintendo ever will. They might. But until then, it's PR.

moldybread14h ago
@Aenea
"So, the same thing MS is doing now, then? Got it!"

Here is a prime example of another one who refuses to acknowledge this all now points to Sony while he continues to kick and scream trying to put out the fires.
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What "fires" kid??? The fact Windozze 10 PC/XBone/ Nintendo cannot feel complete unless the Sony UBERRACE joins the untermensch in their wickel online play, is quite pathetic like the needy little kids who want to play with the big boys.

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Tell me, what exactly is MS doing now aside from saying yes and Nintendo also saying yes? Oh that's right, you have nothing further to add just more deflection.
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I'll tell you what the MS filth is doing numbnuts...

http://time.com/4810005/min...

They are trying to get the mobile consumerbase, whilst dumping

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Then you have the developmentally more versatile and future-proofed C++ edition, which presently works across Windows 10, iOS and Android devices.
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their Windozze 7/8 customers awa

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The Xbox 360 and Wii U editions, while not part of the unification process, will continue to be supported as-is.
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9+m 360 owners and 1.2M Wii U owners.. So what price B/C now Bubba?? All dopey x360 fans will have to update to the NEW Windozze 10 OS if their want to play with their OWN XB friends.

Nice eh Kid?? Unlike Nintendo

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

S*O*N*Y!!! actually PUBLISHES Minecraft for the PS 3 [5.5M], Vita [2.3M] and PS 4 [5.05M].. As all the Micro$haft filth will be left with is 3.9M XBone consumers its easy to see why they want Sonys approval so they have SOMETHING to show to investors for this scheming shitty abandonment of their customers.

Moldy

Sony has nothing to gain and their competition has all to gain

Ms didn't allow cross play last gen or isn't even allowing cross play on FF14 online

This change of heart from Ms isn't due to their good nature its simply because they got their ass whooped

Sony has allowed cross play with pc since ps3 same as Sony has allowed free to play games not requiring psn plus

But wait why care about facts

Playstation Nation is 60 million strong and have cross play with pc we really don't need cross play with Xbox or switch

Maybe Ms and have cross play with switch

And for those of you saying we can't defend Sony why not you enjoy your backwards compatibility and we will enjoy actual new exclusive games

I guess when your console has no games it needs 10 year old games to be relevant

All of Ms past practices have come back to bite them in their behind and now they are the ones trying to play the victim card

Microsoft way before said they don't want a cross-platform, but Sony wanted to do it.

http://64.91.255.7/forum/sh...

But defending Microsoft stance. Isn't that obvious.

Poor people always vote in favor of welfare.

Why would Sony be interested in cross play with a competing platform? That's idiotic. I see why MS is, because they'd love to take advantage of a much larger install base, but why would Sony?

If cross play is the new thing, why is it only with Minecraft? Why aren't MS and Nintendo doing it for the new FIFA.

MS own Minecraft and the Servers, they paid $2 Billion for it, so to unify the player base and then implement all their BS market place crap they make more money. They are not doing to make their player base happy, they are doing it to make more Money.

@Moldy- Why do you keep BEGGING for this?

Is this how little MS has to offer, that joining PS4 gamers install base is all you seem to be on? lol

Buddy, I've noticed many who talk about this, don't even play some of theses games, so crying over Sony not letting MS or Nintendo into their install base for online play is not only desperate, its petty and irrelevant to either publishers real issues.

If Sony not letting MS or Nintendo have their networks talk for certain games is a BIG issue to Nintendo and MS gamers, it tells me some real damage is done to MS and Nintendo if THIS is really something that is an issue for them

I don't know, maybe Nintendo and MS should focus on actually making more games, then their fanbases wouldn't need to be begging for access to other player bases. If you love PS4's install base so much, buy a PS4.

I don't know what to tell you. This is a non-issue. I don't even think you folks can even see the difference from a few million to a few million, no one is really going to notice such a thing. I played SFV and I can't tell you when I'm playing against a PC player or a PS4 player. Its just a non-issue.

To try to make it sound as if its this HUGE thing, further shows how bad it must be for Nintendo and MS for THIS to be such an issue.

You folks really don't have that much to play that begging for another systems install base is "news"? smh

HAHA @moldy..

Lmao. All these people rushing to protect Sony's profit and business as they completely ignore their own self interest. That's when you know who the fanboys are as clear as daylight.

Loving those conspiracy theories moldy.

Again, WHERE WAS MICROSOFT WHEN SONY APPROACHED THEM LAST GEN?

Sony is not obligated to bend over for Microsoft.

And Mr. Dead is right. If this is such a huge issue, vote with your wallets. If not, sit down and stop fretting.

You guys thought it was cool when it was announced for PS3/PC crossplay, why the change of heart when it coems to other consoles?

http://n4g.com/news/547229/...

Funny how so many are saying it doesn't help Sony, how is this negative press helping them? Why do they need the PC to help with the PS4 install base then?

The point everyone here seems to forget is the game developers want it to happen. It would be fun but of course you guys don't think that way,

Sony has put themsleves in a tight spot, first they lied to game developers telling them that they would listen and said they have always supported crossplay but in reality they were never interested in console crossplay. Second of all they continue to contradict themselves about it. They say they are trying to portect its users but had the PSN hack years ago which put them in the spotlight for the wrong reasons. They also said the PS4 Pro was to curb gamers from going to the PC. So that means they do see the PC as a competitive market to them but allow crossplay with it.

@moldy This is pathetic, even for you molds. Let's get one thing clear, PS4 owners aren't asking for it, and Sony DOES NOT NEED cross-platform play.
BTW which developers EXACTLY are you referring to?

"You need to stop viewing this is a Sony versus Sony thing."
And thats exactly what you are doing in almost every post, making it a Microsoft versus Sony thing. And everybody knows you are on the Microsoft side.

this is why they shouldn't from a business stand point.
because most people are gaming on a ps4 their friends have to buy a ps4 in order to play online with them = sales.

crossplay however = loss sales because friends can play without owning the same console. and sony owns the market right now so they will lose potential sales for sure.

i don't know how much more simple it can be, they're a business .

MrDead, it's been a fanboy troll pit for years and nothing will change it.

Just browse the articles and ignore the comments... Hell, I only read them for the laughs.

If you had 60 million fans would you hand them over to the competition?

The way you try to defend Microsoft for tons of lies, vaporware, etc..

Boy hypocrisy runs deep on this site:)

Either way I'm with you on this one moldy aka Lil Phil Spencer lol

I don't recall MS getting this much heat last gen for turning Sony down with their cross platform offer.

Issue seems to be Microsoft wants Xbox live sign in on PSN, That isn't going to happen

Sounds like people like Moldy are begging for players online. I thought the Xbox Live community alone was massive...oh, no?

If you're constantly bashing PlayStation, then I'm highly doubtful that you have any friends with one to cross-play since nowadays you try to codemn those users like they're committing a crime on nature. LOL

This is actually understandable business decision, why? Because they still allow cross-play with PC since last gen unlike Microsoft, who now allow it because the Xbox name moved to Windows...another business decision.

More laughable are those attacking Sony for somethis they wanted to do last gen first and was denied by the same group of people that are attacking them now for this

moldy you're being disingenuous. You don't get to say that Sony is somehow uniquely in the wrong for something Microsoft was guilty of the previous gen.

The truth is that this is just a talking point for either company that chooses to be "pro cross-play" and it's usually the "losing" console.

Last gen Sony was the champion of cross play and the Xbots downplayed it. This gen it's somehow a big deal. This is a flip flopping issue where both companies have been on the wrong side, so stop trying to paint Sony in this uniquely worse light.

Sony's reasons for not allowing cross-play are asinine. And they happen to be the exact same reasons Microsoft used last gen.

Can't we just accept THIS GUY for the monumental hypocrite that he is?

He's almost the first one to jump on any potentially damning Sony news on here acting like the umpire of the console war he enjoys to exacerbate, but lacks so much self-awareness that it would be funny if it didn't keep happening and him ignoring every time he was exposed for the hypocrisy, and misdirecting it on others and still sitting on his laughably inept pedestal. It's getting old.

It's not bad enough that he tried to convince people that mods on consoles was this HUGE game-breaking anti-consumer deal and that Sony was the bad guy for not allowing deeper mods, and fast-forward 2 years later with almost nothing to show for it. Especially not from Microsoft's own first-party. Embarrassing enough. Complaints about Sony "moneyhatting" VR games but can't find him complaining about MS moneyhatting all these "console launch exclusives" shown at E3. The list of hypocritical deeds go on, but this is where it starts to get interesting. Cue the concern. Cue the hypocrisy.

Has this dude ever once complained about MS's walled garden in the Windows 10 gaming ecosystem that restricts games more than games purchased outside of Windows 10? Nope. He claims to be a pro-consumer freedom-loving PC gamer but never once leveled the same level of concern about anything related to how the UWP was literally Games For Windows Live Part 2 - at the time, like he has with anything to do with Sony or how big a deal he thinks their lack of console cross-play is. Interesting...

Here's where it gets even more so, and concerns cross-play: MS doesn't support cross-play between games bought on Windows 10 store and Steam, and they haven't even bothered to do it in their first-party games that support multiplayer. Third-party games? I've not seen any. Not once has he leveled complaints about that to anyone but his own mind that is intentionally ignoring this to serve his (pretty obvious by now) agenda. That freedom-loving PC gamer in him should be rallying out and wondering why journalists are not saying the same thing about that. Not once has he questioned it, which goes to show just how disingenuous and hypocritical this guy really is. Remember, this guy hasn't had any intention of buying a PS4 this generation, but Sony lacking cross-play is more problematic than MS lacking in cross-play on the platform he claims to prefer.

Dude, your entire disingenuous form is rude and your continued and overwhelming hypocrisy is totally embarrassing. This has always been a MS vs. Sony thing to you, ever since you lied about Sony downsizing their first-party lineup and didn't say a thing about MS closing 8 first-party studios/projects in early 2016 until you could no longer ignore the noise once Scalebound was canceled early this year. Especially after you regularly supported Xbox fanboys trolling in Sony articles. Especially so when you only really care to focus on one side and ignore the reality on the other side of the same coin. Especially so when you are so one-sided that it's staggering that you would even begin to argue your points here. So try not to pretend otherwise. Enjoy trying to worm your way out of this one.

What devs are you talking about EXACTLY? And why are you Xbox fans so desperate to play with PS4 owners?

Oh sure... just like more and more devs started to speak out about mods on consoles, huh moldy?

You definitely didn't oversell that one at all, did you? What... with the 2-3 games with mods in over 2 years. Your fake concern isn't going to catch on like you're desperately hoping it will, especially not since you are completely (and it's obvious why) refusing to hold MS to account for not pushing for cross-play between Steam games and their own Windows 10 store games (or should I say apps) on the platforms that you claim to prefer.

Now tell me, why would you care more about a lack of cross-play for a console that you have no intention of buying, more than the same lack of cross-play that MS is (not) providing for you on your preferred platform that you already own and play games on? Dat agenda is getting blown wide open, son.

you can put a cartridge on switch and you could put a disc on the dock (for home console play)

And sony could put a cell chip on ps4

So BC could be possible but would increase the console prices

I prefer no BC and a cheaper console, since i dont use BC at all

People keep asking what is not possible, ps4 cant emulate ps3, so no BC, simples as that.

Xbox one BC is not native, you cant put any disc and it gonna work, only select titles

If you have a disc that is not on BC list, you cant play it, only hope for ms to add that some day, like blue dragon

They have to republish game by game, its not automatic

or PlayStation?

We did.
It's been one of the biggest complaints for the system, but sadly, outside of some sort of convoluted digital work-around, there's nothing we can do about it, because the physical format between this and Wii U/3DS presents a barrier.

The only barrier in this case is Sony listening to investors and profit over playerbase, and the Sony fanboys are eating it up, saying that it would be a horrible thing to do cross-play in this instance, acting as if it would give some sort of irreversible advantage to competing consoles or just outright showing disdain at the thought of playing with other console owners.

Here we go with f****** whataboutism again. All Sony fanboys do is deflect. They can't give valid arguments to save their life.

I'll wait for evidence of a petition for this because I can assure you that no one is freaking out over this feature except the usual suspects stirring the pot around here.

Agreed. PS4 owners aren't desperately trying to play with Xbox owners. Don't know why the MS crowd is making such a big deal about this.

Well as a PlayStation fan I would like to see cross-play, but I also don't feel like I need to sign-in to a MS account to do it. I am sure that it a big stumbling block for Sony about this. I should be able to sign in to my PSN account and just do cross-play, without making an account with MS. While were at it BC, is a cool thing to have at a launch of a new system for like the first 6 months, but three years later I really don't care because I'm deep down in a backlog of current gen games, and have no interest to go back. As far as remasters reworks what ever ya wanna call it, Like Wipeout / Shadow of the Colossus I'm very interested in. Updated graphics / elements, control, trophies added, I'm into partly because I never got to finish them on PS2 since I was at university and lookin fer ladies! If it was just BC with Wipeout and S of C without the new "elements" I don't think I'd bother honestly.

Nobody is defending, they are just explaining, business-wise, why did sony take this stance

@moldy

Let's go ahead and pretend you actually care about Pure Chess. And also pretend enough people cared to play it to warrant cross play. Who do you know, assuming you already own it, that plays it enough to invest in a feature like that? We both know (along with everyone else) that you don't care about that game.

Lol, fanatic? Do you read your own comments about MS? Your selling a kidney just buy the ' beast' I imagine.

LOL. Right MS wants cross play for the betterment of gamers across the world. Oh wait that's why they said NO last gen. We all know that if MS was the one leading in sales what the answer would be because they said NO before so stop pretending they want cross play for the gamers they don't they want it because it helps them plain and simple.

Why are you forgetting that MS is not offering cross-play between Windows 10 store versions of their games and the Steam versions. Not even on their first-party slate of multiplayer games. Why have you never brought that nugget of information up despite being a preferred PC gamer?

You're such a sensational hypocrite, and you can't ever attack Sony for this again without re-enforcing that.

@Number9

Go check kionic's posts, you will see who the stupid defender of a company here is!

@Aenea
"Go check kionic's posts, you will see who the stupid defender of a company here is!"

Tell us, what exactly are you doing here other than trying to defends Sony's silly reasoning? Kionic is just mocking Sony's answer about trying to protect its users because some children play Minecraft. If you think that is a very intelligent response by them then so be it, but don't come here trying to change the discussion because it's convenient and you don't like the negative attention it's getting. This isn't about exclusives. Just because Sony wants to exclude itself from other console gamers does not mean it's an exclusive to be proud of!

@moldy

LOL at your "trying to change the discussion" comment! look in the mirror!

@KionicWarlord222
Coming from the guy looking forward to crackdown and sea of thieves?

All I would say Arena is that Sony must be scared there is no other reason why they wouldn't do it. giving their customers an option to play with who they want. not forcing their customers, any way hope it happens for the gamers not the defenders.