Gonna bookmark this thread for the future 😂

Although I really can't see it coming out this year myself. It's such a hectic release schedule.

@septic
You're bookmarking my opinion? Interesting.

"There's been way to many leaks, the console obviously been in the works for some time."

not really, there hasn't been too much about the neo, and even then, the information that's out there could be obselete. and i'm also sure MS has been working on scorpio for some time, too. sony could have easily changed their plans based on the information about scorpio that was shown at E3, and decided to push back the release of neo until next year to allow them enough time to make any necessary adjustments to the API.

i'm skeptical of a 2016 release for neo, and i don't think that they would talk about it on september 7, then release it a month later. of course, i'm the first to admit that i could be horribly wrong, too. either way, we'll know exactly what's going to happen in less than two weeks.

1.8 teraflops to more than 4 teraflops is not just a small boost either though...that's quite a big difference and that by going by the leaks of course...it may not sound like a huge upgrade because ms is going nuts on their xb1 upgrade but rest assured ...the neo is no small upgrade

Nitrowolf2

actually those were supposedly old documents for neo so i wouldn't put too mich into leaks and sony's own eurpop CEO jim ryan said let's talk specs when we actually reveal neo

people want ps4 neo to have lesser specs so badly on this site. if sony were to say on september 7th ps4 will be 8TF than some of you all will go nuts LOL

personally really want to see that

That, and I don't think they'd be having a PS event to announce the Slim.

Why not? Don't you think they might feel that losing some of what they put into it might be worth it in the long run?

Wasting money to not lose market and/or mindshare is not wasting money.

We don't know how things are going to go. Some people are thinking a PS5 is in 2018? Well, what if it isn't until 2020 or beyond? We don't even know if there will be generations any more. There may not be a 'true next-gen console update'. We might just be getting these updates every few years. Will a PS5 really be any different than a Neo, except for maybe a different OS? Is that what makes a 'full fledged' update now? Because in reality, Scorpio/Neo are taking up the gains that used to go to a new full fledged update, and so what PS5 is to NEO is basically the same as Neo to PS4.

In any case, if you have the opportunity to neutralize a competitors, competitive advantage by 'wasting' a little money, thus keeping your product more relevant, that is a valid strategy they probably are considering.

They might release Neo this year, they might release it early next year, or they might have had their plans altered by Scorpio and if they altered their plans who knows when it launches.

What I do know is, that all signs point to knowing more, if not having some definitive answers around Sept. 7.

If they are using the same architecture, it would indeed be easier to upgrade it. 4.2 TFlops is not that far behind 6 TFlops. They're both AMD, so it's not like either have the Nvidia advantage, nor Intel advantage over each other.

What's to say they can't upgrade a few key parts tho like hard drives and the techier stuff that's waay over my head... Teraflops? Sure if they've gone into production it might be too late but as we all now know they are clearly busy producing slims at the moment, I still don't see why it couldn't launch in October alongside VR but chances are with VR and slims launching they'll give them a good 6 months to sell a few and then bang Neo out after NX around March launch... Sometime before Scorpio in Oct/Nov.... Aug/Sep/ Early October latest for Neo gonna be an expensive year or so

For whats it's worth l fully expect neo to be released this year, and the reason is simple VR, Sony are making a big push into the VR arena and is it really a coincidence that PSVR previously Morpheus and the new PS called Neo?

The two were made to compliment each other, Sony wants to showcase VR and Neo will help them do that.

I still think it will come out this year but it might be smarter to release it next spring around NX. Sony has psvr and the new slim to sell. Having 3 new products is overkill. This way Sony can double dip. Get people to buy psvr and then next year show the power of Neo and get even more into psvr and trade up.

If Neo is coming next year it will get exclusive games in a couple of years. There is no way Sony will come out with the ps4 Neo to only be out for a couple of years and then the ps5 comes out? Sorry but that ain't gonna happen.

I am not positive when Neo will release but we should could consider this piece of oft forgotten information. Many detractors of the Neo have used the now infamous Giant Bomb documentation to attack the Neo's technical specs. Specifically the all important Teraflops - as if speed ever led to a console war victory. In those same leaked documents were Sony directives stating that all games release for the PS4 in September 2016 are required to have a Neo compatibility patch and all titles released from October on must be Neo ready out of the box. If the Neo is releasing next year, why require October releases to be Neo ready out of the box? If Neo isn't releasing until next year as some suppose, why not allow devs extra months of optimization?

Sorry but those leaked documents point to Neo releasing this year. In October to be specific. Or else you must discount the documents entirely, including the TFlop values.

And that may be just the case based on an interview with Jim Ryan.

http://www.jeuxvideo.com/vi...

Breakdown here: http://www.gameondaily.com/...

@morganfell
"I am not positive when Neo will release but we should could consider this piece of oft forgotten information. Many detractors of the Neo have used the now infamous Giant Bomb documentation to attack the Neo's technical specs. Specifically the all important Teraflops - as if speed ever led to a console war victory."

then stop getting yourself involved in the console war. be happy with what the ps4 neo offers (im sure it will be a great product and sell very well), stop tyrying to downplay anything about project scorpio and be done with it. because the more you talk about scorpio in a non-positive manner its damage control on your part.

@morganfell

"release for the PS4 in September 2016 are required to have a Neo compatibility patch and all titles released from October on must be Neo ready out of the box. If the Neo is releasing next year, why require October releases to be Neo ready out of the box? If Neo isn't releasing until next year as some suppose, why not allow devs extra months of optimization? "

excellent point,

You fail to comprehend matters moldy. Tsk tsk. I am not getting myself involved in a console war. It exists whether I am a part of it or regardless if I even know who makes which console.

Maybe you think people can be disconnected from certain events if they poke their head in the sand like an ostrich or put their fingers in their ears and run around the room screaming la la la. Reality does not function in such a manner. Perhaps one day you will realize this.

The only mention I made of a war was that speed does not win one. What does that have to do with my involving myself in such a manner? How is that involving myself in a war? Did you even bother to read what you have written? How about what I wrote? Did I use too many big words? Did you read some other post when you responded to mine? There is a great disconnect in what I wrote and what you think you read.

You obviously suffer from a persecution complex. I am not talking about Scorpio except in the most indirect manner and even then only as relates to Ryan's remark. A remark that points not to Scorpio but to the veracity of the supposedly leaked documentation on Neo. It isn't rocket surgery...

I am discussing the possibility of when Neo is launching. The dates bear direct relevance to the supposed documentation from Giant Bomb. After demonstrating how such documentation might point to an October launch I also had to be fair and show how ALL of the documentation might be in error. The only news which might indicate such fault is the Ryan interview. My point being if he is correct about the documentation being in error regarding NEO'S SPEED (Not Scorpio but NEO'S) then that would also mean the indicated October launch is also in error. It is a sophomoric deduction yet remains beyond your comprehension. Is such a principle so difficult for you to grasp? I am fine with any speed Neo provides and do not care what Microsoft offers over a year from now. You are the one that enters one Sony thread after another sowing discord. You are the one whose very actions show you cannot be satisfied with the company your words have clearly indicated you support to the nth degree.

@morganfell
"You fail to comprehend matters moldy."

you will see that what i say will come to true.

"Maybe you think people can be disconnected from certain events if they poke their head in the sand like an ostrich or put their fingers in their ears and run around the room screaming la la la. Reality does not function in such a manner. Perhaps one day you will realize this."

who said anything about being an ostrich? we all know what lies ahead and what input we can expect from you.

"The only mention I made of a war was that speed does not win one."

i never said otherwise, i said it would be in your besty interest to enjoy what sony offers while trying limit yourself to comment about scorpio because again we all know what lies ahead regarding your input. go ahead and disagree but bookmark this and you will see i will be right.

"What does that have to do with my involving myself in such a manner? How is that involving myself in a war? Did you even bother to read what you have written? How about what I wrote? Did I use too many big words? Did you read some other post when you responded to mine? There is a great disconnect in what I wrote and what you think you read."

looks like the reaction i was expecting, again you are proving my point.

"You obviously suffer from a persecution complex."

i don't think you even know what the real meaning is. we are talking about videogames.

"I am not talking about Scorpio except in the most indirect manner and even then only as relates to Ryan's remark. A remark that points not to Scorpio but to the veracity of the supposedly leaked documentation on Neo. It isn't rocket surgery..."

you seem to type a lot without really saying much.

" I am fine with any speed Neo provides and do not care what Microsoft offers over a year from now."

actually you do care, which is what i have been saying all along. it is not in your nature to simply enjoy what the ps4 offers without downplaying scorpio. prove me wrong. i can live in a world where ps4 neo thrives and does well and also project scorpio doing well. you can't, it really is that simple.

"You are the one that enters one Sony thread after another sowing discord. You are the one whose very actions show you cannot be satisfied with the company your words have clearly indicated you support to the nth degree."

deflect all you want, we all know what to expect.

Yeah, the best evidence we have points to Neo releasing this year. Which I'm happy about, since I want to play upcoming games like Nioh and The Last Guardian at their best. I don't want to have to wait until next year.

While I agree with you, the back tracking may not be as extensive as one might assume...particularly if it's using the same technology.

Only way Sony would actually expend effort to do so is if they are concerned Scorpio would cannibalize their sales of Neo, or put their overall position in the console market in peril, and that's hard to determine with MS only releasing target specs. In any case, if Sony does indeed decide to do so, they'd likely be coming up with a comparable system, at roughly the same price....so long as all other factors are equal.

@Neutral

If Sony comes in over the 4TF mark, say 5.something which puts it closer to MS specs, or comes in at 6TF, or for some reason comes in at the highly unlikely 8TF mark, then the narrative will just shift to MS will just release a more powerful console since they have a whole year to work on it. There could be merit to that as well, but if for some reason it's a reasonably priced 5.something machine, and MS comes in at 7+ TF, then Sony will be in a strong enough position with the year head start to not worry about it so much.

MS has more to do with their brand than just release a more powerful console. They're making headway with game selection overall, now they just have to work on getting that selection to resonate better with the consumer, and more importantly, work on making it a more global brand instead of just focusing on specific larger markets. That is of course if MS is looking to actually beat Sony, and not just gain more out of the markets they currently reside in.

@Overall topic

I think this year could be possible, or early next. Sept. 7 would have no other purpose than to announce a new console. There is no reason for a PSVR dedicated event, and given the hype going, it'd be terribly disappointing if they don't announce the Neo. Although I suppose they have a few weeks to dial that down like they did before E3 with Neo.

You're revising history. MS wanted 8GB of DDR3 + eSRAM from the beginning. Sony gambled with 4GB of GDDR5 and it was increased a result of developer feedback. Sony was also fortunate that there were higher density GDDR5 chip in time for the mass manufacturing. Unless of course all of these stories are elaborate tricks that Sony played.

https://www.vg247.com/2014/...

"Murakami stated that the PS4’s increase from 4GB to 8GB of RAM was approved during that line of questioning. He said that the Knack team were involved in those hardware discussions and asked for the RAM increase after learning that Sony was going to rest on 4GB. The company agreed, and that’s effectively why the console is the way it is today. It was quite a simple decision, it seems."

Sony is SO on top of their game that they intentionally leaked the PS4 Slim to actual people and then send copyright to YouTube and anyone mentioning PS4 Slim. They're certainly on top of their game.

No Darth. Scorpio is a minimum spec of 5.5 Tflops. If Sony wants to match it they easily could do so. The ram spec could also be matched simply by switching to gddr5x.
Sony loses nothing by launching in late 2017. Slim will be on the market keeping sales up until then.

Microsoft would have a whole year to come out with the more powerful console

peewee

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