Forbes: Sony is working on an as-yet-unannounced new gaming console, former AMD employees say, and the processor designer may play a key role in the new product.
The source of the story is forbes . But as the story says use of Amd instead of nvidea is astonishing as nvidea has always stand upto the expectations.
Last time I checked, AMD was a solid brand as well in the graphics department. As mentioned below, their drivers can be tricky...but the cars perform just as well.
Nvidia GPU's usually run hotter than their AMD equivalents, so it makes sense that the PS4 would go for the red team..
AMD is being used for the xbox 360 & now the Wii U. It's not far fetched to see AMD being used with Sony stuff.
Although AMD is cheaper I think it is a bad move. If the GPU is going to be based on the new models being rolled out nvidia seems to have the upper hand again for these next GPU models by a large margin.
Pretty much this. When you have an edge in the GPU department it can show up in console. Nvidia will have an edge for the size of the die versus performance when their new generation launches next month. AMD have led in this crucial factor since the HD4000 series, but now it will change. Nvidia's strategy and experience of building massive chips should FINALLY pay off. This means basically more performance for the cost of the chip. Word is that Nvidia's 3.4 billion transistor GPU (GK104) is very close to a 4.3bn Radeon 7970. This is logical too. 7970 is not fantastic, it is only about 25 percent faster than a GTX580 yet it is built with well over 40 percent more transistors. Even if Nvidia just stuck GTX580 on 28nm and whacked up the clocks with no design improvement, it would get close to 7970 and be massively smaller. Ati had the edge when PS3/360 was built, and 360 got a quality GPU, whereas PS3 got an old duffer of an architecture. Sony would probably be best sticking with Nvidia this time around- which means of course, they won't!
I know the ATI fans will hammer me for this. nVidia has made a bunch of mistakes, including their 9 series that were rebadged 8 series (smaller die though) and skipped the 300 series at least for discrete desktop graphics. I waited forever for them to release the 4 series with DX11. Long story short, I think that that extra time nVidia took to make the gpgpu fermi, it will pay off in the long run. I think that this time the green team has the better architecture, unlike before where ATI had the better architecture. I remember when nVidia stated that "unified shaders" are new territory and it wasn't ready especially when the rsx xenos battle took place. Now unified shaders are a standard. Pioneered by ATI first, at least with consoles.
Both ATI and nVidia have made some major mistakes that alienated customers and enthusiasts.
PS4 will probably lack any type of backwards compatibility if true, which kinda sucks.
lol any gpu that is an 8800 or more can emulate a gtx 7800. Only thing the ps3 needs is cell to emulate the ps3.
And the PS3 can emulate easily PS2 and PS1. Yet Sony still says no.
The problem is that if they go AMD, then say good bye to easy compatibility! Still possible but its a lot of hassle when games were made from a different company!
There is no problem with emulating PS3's GPU. It is not a highly customed chip like days past and PS2. The problem lies with CELL and its fast XDR memory and bus. CELL would probably be near impossible to emulate in software. Any machine would almost certainly have to include the chip. If a new machine was a big step up then it would ditch CELL type architecture for its CPU, the design is dead. POWER7 is the most likely choice for a new machine. Obviously the question then is would Sony do what they did with PS3 when they included PS2's chipset inside PS3 until cost cutting meant it was discontinued. The fact is Sony abandoned PS2 backwards compatability in PS3 after only 18 months or so. This leads me to believe they would quite happily abandon it for a new machine as well. No matter the outcry, you can't forget the vast majority of PS3s cannot play PS2 games yet you still bought a PS3. Sony will know this and ditch BC without a second thought this time. Not least of all because of the success of HD remakes and the extra cash that has brought. Really its a no brainer so you shouldn't be at all surprised if their next machine won't play PS3 games.
vulcan is an info god... So true. BC was such a hyped feature back in the day. Now days not so much. Good thing with MS is that they own the xenos architecture from ATI. ATI sold the designs to MS so they own it outright. That is one of the reasons why ATI won the contract for Xbox 360. MS didn't want to make a repeat mistake of last gen when making the nVidia chips were either too costly or nvidia stopped production. This time they get to control it. The cpu is just a triple core power-pc so that should be easy to emulate with more advanced cpu's in the future. The real question lies in the video card. So to see BC in the NextBox is almost a certain. Why go through all that trouble to own the chipset if you aren't going to use it?
They would need the cell in the PS3, which still isn't dirt cheap like the PS2 was when the PS3 released. Common sense business move would be to have it capable of running it off an attachment. Offer a cheaper model with no backwards compatibility, but have the option viable through an accessory. Keep costs down is Sony's number one priority, they can't afford to follow their pricey (yet awesome out of the box) model next generation, or MS will hold it over them yet again.
if there will be CELL processor present, it will be backwards compatible. There is no reason to drop cell processor, it's mega fast and acceptable, and with 32nm process even cheap. PS4 will use BR for sure so backwards compatibility will be there almost for sure.
Give me forward compatibility
thats messed up, i then have to expect RROD-like situations with the PS4...AMD sucks big time...low quality built GPUs along with their shitty drvers.. :/ hopefully this is not true and sony goes with nvidia!
I can't disagree more. AMD's vga put in to xbox sux ass just like the nvidia in PS3. New generation of both of the cards is excelent. new xbox will use radeon 6570 which is notebook class vga. I bet that Sony will go for 7770 which is the mainstream and they will include their special instructions in to the chip.
we dont even know the wii-u specs and you think you know the xbox specs, lmao. You dont even know the name of the next xbox let alone the spec. Come on fanboy, anyway sony went on record stating ps4 wont be a big jump. so why do you assume it will be stronger?
Drivers don't affect consoles mate, also AMD has produced some fine hardware just like Nvidia, things like RROD and YLOD can happen to AMD or Nvidia
LoL alot of hate going on in here for AMD....... Funny AMD do not make low quality parts if you beleave that, then you dont know nothing about AMD. Just like Nvidia they make 3 level cards your low end market then your mid range and then you have top range. Only thing i love about amd is the prices compared to nvidia and dont skimp on performance on the mid range to high end market.
You are right. Only thing that sucks about AMD are the video card drivers, pain in the ass to get working right. But you dont have to update drivers on PS3, just firmware. So its not that bad.
Drivers on AMD easy get on with m8, personally i dont update everytime new driver... If it aint broke dont fix it right? I hear you thoe but if you having issues try googling driver sweeper. Uninstall drivers first then use this then do a fresh custom install then reboot. But i dont know your personal experiance so im going buy some basic help for you.
Personaly I am ATi (AMD) person, I have ati cards since 2001 til now. It was : Radeon 8000, Radeon 9700 , X800, X1950 , HD3870 , HD5850 and now HD6950. All these cards did work and work perfectly without any minor glitch or issue with anything. (except HD5850 which died on BF3 after loong use). I do update drivers every sinlge time even with beta drivers. AMD does put a lot of effort to upgrade performance on their cards just by optimizing and tweaking their drivers. Don't get me wrong but I ain't any lame user or kid that knows nothing about VGA's but as long time user I must say the drivers and AMD's support of the gaming comunity are excelent. And I am not just a fan boy because as for nVidia goes, I do think that their new cards will beat the s*it out of AMD, power and price wise.
Drivers wont be an issue on a console as with drivers on pc you have a lot of problems to deal with you wont have on a console. In the fact that every PC is differnt so theres many factors. Where as all the playstations will be the same.
@dexus not sure who disagreed there with you i couldnt do eaither cos you right and on certain point i disagree too. heres why, i agree amd are great i was once a fanboy if you wish to use that horrid word on nvidia untill amd changed there game got better gpu's that was a long time ago now. then they started dropping the price and put in better specs gave more bang for your buc as im sure your agree with. actually it was the 8800 that changed my vision of AMD when first come out.. just thought put that in there however heres were i find things hard too chew. "I do think that their new cards will beat the s*it out of AMD, power and price wise" Really Nvidia always been known for higher pricing despite amd having more under the hood. As for there new cards kicking the shit out of my 7970 They may i dont doubt that but we have to see im sure it be there top line cards that do that witch brings me to my point in question, At what price will it be more than 7970 or less. Im starting to sound like a AMD person here im really not but i wont lie i have been badly scared by recent gtx 500 series drivers witch why i jumped back to AMD. cos i had no issues with my amd ati 4870. OK i dont want nvidia to kick my 7970 ass ill admit that as amd came out before nvidia too i spent £450 on sapphire card. But AMD drivers are better in my personal experiance they do give you alot more shaders more processors memory. Of topic my color is green ironic
It all comes down to preference through personal experience. A couple of friends of mine always use AMD/ATI, because they had lot's of problems with NVIDIA cards and Intel CPUs. I'm an Intel/NVIDIA guy. I had ATI cards die on me, drivers crash every 5 minutes (VPU recover anyone?), the freaking active cooling fan MELT OFF! I'm not joking, it was hanging in mid air by the cables. Random PC shutdowns due to overheating of the CPU (No dust), even after replacing the cooling unit. I have NEVER had to deal with any of that on Intel/NVIDIA. Drivers always work the way they should, even in the summer months the PC runs, hotter but it runs. The fans stay attached to the cards and work without complaining through many years of abuse at the hand of a hardcore gamer.
this is good news for the next gen.
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