technically there were pocket pcs and they all had that central circle button b4 the icrap products. sad to say none of this is new the designs have been around for ages

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I'll give you iPod>Zune, but that's it. Everything else you said is incorrect. Apple deserve to go up in flames.

I'll agree with everything except Zune. Zune is better. And by that I mean Zune on PC, Windows Phone 7, and Zune HD; all aspects of Zune.

I'm not actually comparing the iPod Touch with the Zune HD, just the Zune Media experience itself. iPod Touch vs Zune HD: iPod Touch is a much better all-around product, but Zune kills iTunes, especially with Zune Pass. But, for pure media, Zune HD WAS better.

Everything else is right. In most ways, at least.

"Apple deserve to go up in flames."

Why? Because Steve Jobs was a total douche? Almost every negative thing you can say about Apple can/should be redirected right at him...not the company itself IMO.

Zune could possibly be better...I'm not familiar enough with it to bet money against it. But my best friend recently switched from Zune to iTunes and said he preferred iTunes..but that's him.

Edit: Nikk_419, you and GrumpyVeteran seem to have conflicting opinions haha.

Haha they've really brainwashed you well Fuhrer. Speaking of which, I remember another Fuhrer who tried to impose his crazy misguided views on other people. Fortunately these days people seem to have more accurate bullshit meters. Mine went off when I read your comment.

winamp >itunes <has way more features for way more mp3 players including ipod>

sony walkman >ipod <drums the ipod into the ground. poor marketing is why it didnt sell>

android > iOS <i guess you like being controlled and told what you can and cant do with your device. i do not>

PC (with linux) > Mac <clearly you dont know how far advanced linux is over Other OSs on the market.>

do some research before posting. it might make you look like less of an idiot.

1. "sony walkman >ipod <drums the ipod into the ground. poor marketing is why it didnt sell"

2. "android > iOS <i guess you like being controlled and told what you can and cant do with your device. i do not>"

3. "PC (with linux) > Mac <clearly you dont know how far advanced linux is over Other OSs on the market."

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1. Sorry, I had a Walkman before an iPod...and I disagree, it didn't drum anything into the ground.

2. I don't like being controlled, that's why I jailbroke my iPhone :D And it's pretty much perfect the way it is.

3. I'm talking about Mac's as COMPUTERS...and they are waay better than PC's. Are you seriously gonna argue with me that PC's are better than Macs? And try comparing a PC running Linux and a Mac running Linux, go ahead. Sorry, truth hurts.

German guy - I respectfully disagree things you say here.

Tablet PCs go back years now. HP(early 00s) had one long before the iPad was a wet dream in an Apple fanboys pants. They added some functionality and ***gasp*** finger gestures (I have a particularly effective finger gesture that I use all the time and would like to patent it) it like "swiping" and "pinching".

Did Apple do it better? One could argue that but they also castrating the technology unnecessarily in a few ways by removing USB, HDMI and removable media slots ALL of which are included in the Lenovo Tablet without the need of an overpriced cable and at a better price point.

Windows Media Player was around alllll the way back in '91 it just wasn't called WMP - as media developed, so did the functionality of it resulting in a "Branded" Media player called Windows Media Player in the late 90s' early 2000s.

Portable Audio players were coined and OWNED by Sony. Without the the Walkman, we all would have been walking around with Ghetto Blasters next to our heads for many years longer then we did. Sony invented and perfected the portable audio player long before anyone - iPod owes its very existence to the Walkman - Nuff said.

We can all argue the PC vs. Mac debate until we're all blue in the effin face. Quite frankly, I'm sick of the debate. The reality of the matter is that Macs NOW use off the shelf PC components whereas before, they used IMB Power PC architecture. At that time, due to the higher cost of parts, Apple actually had reason to be as overpriced as they were (though not to the degree they were). With all the parts they use now, there's no reason to charge $800 for a mac mini with such crappy specs.

Don't like Windows (I'm not in that boat)? I can accept that, use a FREE Distro of any flavor of Linux that you like. Ubuntu is actually pretty effin good. Toss that bad boy onto your vastly better home built PC for 1/3rd the price and call it a day.

mac vs pc gotta argue that one,

macosx a unix based os once designed for powerpc architecture now poerted to run on x86 /64 bit intel cpus, using motherboards equipped with efi extensible firmware interface, which is an upgraded bios design,

macs and pcs now have very little difference the diverence is the oc any pc can no work similar with moden linux varients like ubuntu or one of the other easy forms.

from 2012/13 efi replaces bios in motherboards

ipod may well beeat zune but thatsd marketing not tech

android> iphone anyday cost function asthetics

ill take my iconia over any ipad the techs the same but the cost and proformance of my iconia is better

apple does marketing bordering on brainwashing,

under patent law prior work is something close enough to show that the infringment was not intended this was proved several times so far

apples paent horde gives them amunition to fight in legal circles rather then the showroom floor, other then averge upgrades and a few bizarre features

ios hasnt changed the phone hasnt changed and people are starting to look elswhere for new products

your own words indicate how pervasive this apple made it it must be the best attitude is.

apple make mediocre stylish products

there pcs are the only product i respect but not at the price

i can build a hackintosh at less then 1/4 price and get equal or better proformance.

and yes thats a homebuild that runs macos x