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Submitted by Vyralize 512d ago | news

“Liberator” 3D hand gun blueprints now available for download

Vyralize: CAD blueprints for the "Liberator" 3D hand gun are now available for download. (Hi-tech, Liberator Hand Gun)

Vyralize  +   512d ago
Muricah!
Yi-Long  +   511d ago
Yep....
... not sure if it's positive though...

The concept of 3D printers is awesome, but when people are able to print out weapons, the technology/hardware is sure to be 'banned' in some countries out of fear of people printing out dangerous weapons, thus pretty much ruining the whole thing for everyone.

It would have been nice if, in 5-10 years time orso, you could just print out a complete army of GI Joe action-figures or whatever for your kids, straight from readily available files on the internet.
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monkeyfox  +   512d ago
god help us all... Whats next? Build your own nuclear power plant?
TemplarDante  +   512d ago
Exactly, Monkeyfox.
Im not an american, so I dont understand the gun culture / obsession..
Reading that comment on the gun site made me sick, really.
A guy mentioning how great the company is for doing this.
He greets "fellow patriots" thanking the company for strenthening their "2nd ammendment" by doing this.

Pathetic.
cheetorb  +   511d ago
Your right, it is pathetic. We have alot of ego and self-esteem issues to where owning a gun satisfies those issues and makes us feel like a big man or woman. Only until someone we care about is shot do we (sometimes) realize how stupid the whole thing is.
CraigandDayDay  +   511d ago
Owning a gun should be a basic right for law abiding citizen. I'm an American and I also work for Remington Arms in KY. Our 2nd Amendment right is a very important one. It takes an evil person to murder someone.
It's the person, not the weapon. Always has been, always will be.
fr0sty  +   511d ago
Exactly. Forks don't make people fat. It takes human will to pull it off. You foreigners claim you don't understand our "gun culture", however if you moved here and realized that you're in a country with 400 million registered firearms (more than one per person in the country), and then realize that the vast majority of gun crime committed use unregistered firearms (you can only imagine how many of those are floating around the streets, if 400 million of us bothered to get one the legal way), you realize that any gun law is only going to affect the people who choose to abide by them. The criminals who already do not follow the gun licensing or purchase laws will not be affected in the least bit.

Look at a city like Chicago, some of the strictest gun laws in the entire country and yet you'll find more people getting shot there than just about anywhere else. The same is true in other cities with tight gun control, they have either the same or higher gun crime rates than before their laws were enacted. The cities with more lax gun control laws have either the same or lower gun crime rates than before those laws were enacted.

If we didn't have so many firearms already on the streets, especially so many illegal firearms, it wouldn't be as big of a deal to try to pass gun control legislation. However, that is not the case, and history has shown what happens when the U.S. tries to clamp down on guns. The intended effect doesn't happen.

Now with the ability to 3D print guns, and the fact that those blueprints are on the internet, there is no law that will stop it. It's like youtube trying to ban a video... they shut down one account and before they're even done pressing the ban button, 100 other accounts have uploaded that video to their channels. There is no way in hell they will be able to get those blueprints off the internet now, and anyone who wants a gun can now have one.

This article is even more reinforcement behind the idea that gun control laws can't work here... or anywhere else for that matter now. Even in places where there are already banned gun sales, there's still going to be 3D printers, either bought legally or smuggled in.
SilentNegotiator  +   511d ago
And only once it's too late do so many remember WHY private citizen gun ownership is important.

I love this printing thing and that there is a data file because now there will ALWAYS be an availability to citizens (unless they ban 3d printers themselves) to have guns, no matter what idiotic, ineffective bans and restrictions come about.
Computersaysno  +   511d ago
I am not from the USA and I don't get the gun nuts either.

Its all well and good saying well its the unregistered guns, guns protect, people kill people etc etc pro gun arguments when you only have to look at a country like the UK which has incredibly strict gun laws, and see that gun related deaths are practically non existent.

Bottom line is you have guns, and you can't control gun related crime.

Other countries may have guns, but they don't have this gun crime culture. Other countries don't have guns, and don't have a problem.

If you have such severe gun crime problems, why even allow certain firearms to be legal??? Its just retarded, most people in the rest of the developed world think this is a bit stupid.

Really I admit, its too late now. You can't just make USA a gun free country overnight, but you can crack down better- except you won't. Because of the wimps in Congress more afraid of losing their power and funding from the pro gun lobbies than doing the right thing.

Having handguns for example are just stupid. Why do you need handguns? They aren't very useful for hunting, they are only useful as compact, concealable lethal anti human weapons. There is no justification, but there are hundreds of millions of the damn things.

Then theres the people that believe having a armed populace protects them from the government.

Really. REALLY? This isn't the 17th century and the USA isn't some banana "republic".

If the United States government were to conduct a policy of genocide, the power it wields will not be effectively stopped by some amateurs with popguns. You have some of the most lethal and advanced military weapons on the planet, if any were to be turned against a particular ethnicity or state or whatever, it would be annihilated. Only foreign military intervention could really turn the tide enough.

Other stable developed populations aren't so frightened of their governments they sit stroking their assault weapons on their porches and swearing that if those lunatics up in the capital running the country try anything I'll be ready...

As a developed, responsible democratic republic you should have evolved beyond this fairly unrealistic and weak pro gun argument. We aren't exactly frightened in the UK we'll need to use force to overthrow the government. It is absurd in such a democratic system, that has been stable for hundreds of years.

Its an utterly laughable justification.

Whether you believe people kill people, or guns kill people, I can guarantee you one thing: if you had no guns, you would have no gun crime. Other crimes? Murders still? Yes, of course! But not gun crime...

There is just no way around this simple logic.
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fr0sty  +   511d ago
@Computerssayno:

What part of "The vast majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal firearms." and "now that the blueprints for 3D printed guns are on the net, there is no law that will stop them." did you not understand?

We've passed the tipping point where gun control laws will work. We've tried banning assault rifles. We still had school massacres taking place (Columbine). Oh, and if you plan on banning guns here in America, not only will you have to confiscate 400 million legal firearms, and try your best to get the illegal ones, but you then will have a flood of illegal weapons being smuggled in from Mexico as the cartels find clients on this side of the border who want guns or 3D printers so they can make guns (assuming they get banned or regulated heavily). You can get a 3D printer for about $2000, and it wouldn't take much for a criminal enterprise to buy up enough of these to crank out hundreds of guns per day.

There comes a point where you have to realize that law cannot work in certain cases, and in those situations you have to take care of yourself. When your computer can make guns for you, there's no way anybody can stop people from making them. Look at how miserably we failed at trying to ban drugs.

Oh, by the way, gun crime has actually been on the decline in the USA for the past several years, despite the defeat of gun control legislation.
Computersaysno  +   511d ago
What part of if you have no guns, you have no gun crime do You not understand? Gun crime happens with both legal and illegal weapons.

The reason those illegal firearms are illegal varies, but at some point in their life they were probably legally bought and owned by someone or brought into the country.... And in the system. Their supply from new is likely to have been a legitimate source. Isn't it a major problem that criminals use people with clean records to obtain weapons legally then of course use them illegally? There's lies, damn lies and statistics that you cite about gun crime.

The point is by saying oh now they are illegal and they are used for crime that's ok, that means we're good is pretty thick my friend.

It means that your gun control has failed miserably and requires harsher measures. It requires much more extensive revisions of the gun culture in the USA. Which is what I essentially said. It has failed but nobody really cares about changing that because they are pussies.

Einstein said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Change is necessary.

It means that if nobody had bought the gun in the first place with no demand or you hadn't allowed your gun culture to spiral out of control nobody would even have a gun as commonplace or question it's legality, cos it would simply be illegal no matter what. Being so commonplace already makes them more familiar to people who otherwise would never be able to get hold of a weapon so easily legal again or not

This printing is a different matter. But it still isn't a commonplace thing.

Saying oh well that's it now everybody can have one is just dismissive and unrealistic. No they won't all have them because virtually nobody has 3d printers. To actually access one or buy one costs much much more than buying a cheap legal or illegal gun in the USA and it's certainly easier and less technical to acquire a weapon either way because of your culture and laws!!!

This is the problem. You are blind to obvious simple things when it comes to guns.
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zeroskie  +   511d ago
The 2nd amendment was created a long time ago when the military force of the government was comparable to the military power of a militia of private citizens. Can you honestly say that if any private citizen or group of them were to try to overthrow the government that they would stand a chance against the military or the police?

It's an outdated legislation from a long time ago. And now it only does more harm than good. There are a lot of fervent supporters of the 2nd amendment ranging from people who are purist interpreters of the constitution to others who just really like guns and want a legal justification for owning them, even if it's at the expense of others.
Rooted_Dust  +   511d ago
@Computersaysno

Is there some special hell people get sent to if they're killed by gunfire? Dead is dead.

The only difference the weapon makes is on the side of those defending themselves. Not everyone can wield a knife or a club to the same effect as someone larger, stronger, or more experienced than themselves, but anyone can use a gun. They are equalizers.

What you're proposing is going back to the days when strong people preyed on the weak, old, and disabled.
Thefreeman012  +   511d ago
Jesus Christ you 2 are going to make that bulls$&t argument. I've heard it so many times...there are no weapons that cause mass damage with such ease. With a couple pulls of a trigger you could kill lots of people. It's that simple.
SuperM  +   511d ago
Guns dont kill people. Thats such a poor argument. You might aswell say nuclear bombs dont kill people. Its ignoring the simple fact that guns make killing easier. It enables killing for people that would otherwise be unable to, and it enables people to kill more then they would be able to otherwise. If you dont understand this simple concept you dont understand much.
SilentNegotiator  +   511d ago
The difference between the US compared to UK, Japan, etc is that we already have 300M guns.

Do you really think we can recall all of those guns? Gun violence spiked when citizens lost their guns in the UK, imagine that but extended to several decades and a larger spike.

An entire gun ban on the US is a completely unrealistic idea. We're attached to country that smuggles crap in constantly (fortified by unrealistic support for illegal immigration and naturalized citizenship in the wake of enacting government healthcare along with dozens of freebies and cheap provisions), we already have 300M guns, and we're a country steeped in history of guns being necessary to create change (most notably revolution and civil war, all within a mere 300 years) that gives us the confidence that they're necessary.

A gun ban in Japan was easy because they had the barrels of dozens of nations' guns (can you smell the irony?) pointing at them post-WW2. The UK already had much more strict laws on guns for almost 100 years when they enacted a ban. The US is NOOOOOOT comparable to these countries that are CONSTANTLY used as examples.
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Computersaysno  +   511d ago
I'll refer anyone to a psychiatrist that believe guns protect the weak and the infirm and stop people preying on them, and that somehow that doesn't work both ways where it allows people that previously would be less capable of crime if it weren't for a firearm....

They are all ridiculous notions and farfetched hypothetical situations dreamt up by the gun nuts. None of the pro gun arguments seem grounded in reality of this day and age or remotely realistic or credible.

All that I want to see the USA do is take further steps to properly recognise the major problem of its gun culture and take genuine, serious steps to begin combatting it.

It takes someone gutsy to try and make the changes to laws or standards that have seemingly been set in stone for centuries in the face of powerful opposition, but the change would be for the better.

Martin Luther King himself would tell you that if you don't try and fight with all your might for what you know is right, then change for the better will never come.

Unfortunately he can't tell you that right now, because he was killed by an assassin wielding a firearm....
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bart2278  +   511d ago
@Computersaysno

Let me first clear something up. Injecting an opinion that is devoid of any intellect or progression of an idea is discouraged. America will never be able to curve "gun related crime" because America has humans living in it, just like any other country. If you took away guns another suitable weapon would be used in it's place.

"If you have such severe gun crime problems, why even allow certain firearms to be legal??? Its just retarded, most people in the rest of the developed world think this is a bit stupid."

I think what you fail to realize is that people obtain firearms illegally, and through that avenue use those firearms to do illegal things. Very few gun owners that have legal ownership commit crimes with there firearms and an even smaller percent actually murders someone. Also, not to be an asshole, but we do not care what the rest of the world thinks about our firearm laws. One of the biggest reasons Japan did not attack the US, in WWII, head on in multiple parts of the country is because of our citizens having firearms.

"Then theres the people that believe having a armed populace protects them from the government."

I'm just going to direct you towards the Vietnam, 2nd Iraq War, and the War in Afghanistan for this answer. Our military could not defeat Muslim extremists, even with all the high tech weaponry. Also, the people in the US military has family that lives in the US. Do you think they are going to listen to orders to shoot, confiscate, or otherwise infringe on the Constitutional rights of American citizens? Some will, but most will not. I can tell you have no idea what you're talking about. Instead of looking at the situation and finding the best outcome, you come at the issue with bias, and it shows in your response.

"Whether you believe people kill people, or guns kill people, I can guarantee you one thing: if you had no guns, you would have no gun crime. Other crimes? Murders still? Yes, of course! But not gun crime..."

What does this even mean? If you still have murders, no matter the way it was carried out, then people are still dying. You are not solving anything.
Thefreeman012  +   511d ago
Your people's only argument seems to be that people buy guns illegally so why try to curb gun laws. Which is a dumb right wing nut job fear that everyone is out to buy illegal guns. When's the last time you've seen a major crime or violent outbreak where the gun was illegal... All these massacre shootings there are LEGAL guns.most shootings involve legal guns. There is a tiny tiny fraction of that which have illegal guns. People in Europe like Italy don't have guns except for those with illegal ones. Want to remind me the last massacre they've had? Look at there gun death ratio... Bet you it's considerably lower.
0ut1awed  +   511d ago
It's a fact that criminals will obtain guns one way or another. That's because they are CRIMINALS. They don't abide by the law, they break it.

That said, I have never understood the logic of the anti-gun debate. It's just such an oxymoron.

The only people this would hurt is innocent bystanders, removing their right to protect themselves or others. Sure the criminals might find it harder to get a hand on a gun. Still, there will be plenty of them obtaining weapons. All they have to do is plan to use them in an area that has no police presence and BAM! They have full awareness that nobody in that area can do a single them to stop them.

That just sounds perfect!!!! Why haven't guns been banned yet?
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mcroddi  +   512d ago
Only a few more minutes until it hits Fox News lol
Speed-Racer  +   512d ago
As interesting as this may seem, I do hope they outlaw this. I know it;s still too early to print something like this at a reasonable cost, but the fact that you can do it, makes it much easier than trying to acquire a traditional gun. Even if it's crap and explodes on the 2nd try, it only takes one well placed bullet to injure or kill someone.
RonyDean  +   512d ago
I NEED A 3D PRINTER NOW! This is awesome!
mushroomwig  +   512d ago
Next up...downloading a car.
kaozgamer  +   506d ago
you wouldn't download a car
evil_element  +   512d ago
Will never fly again. :(
Thefreeman012  +   511d ago
I agree, gotta love those gun nuts that believe everyone should have acess road gun......
evil_element  +   510d ago
Say hello to 9/11 because who can find out who has a gun on board of an aircraft.

Anyone can now print a gun and board an aircraft with little to no issue.

Whats worse is the design can be changed so its harder to see if it is a weapon or allow it to assembled from many innocent looking items.

We just gave the ultimate weapon to anyone, anywhere.
level 360  +   511d ago
Looks like it's also metal-detector free which makes it more dangerous..

..and also being detachable far easier/lighter to carry anywhere on any part of the globe by almost anyone.
Speed-Racer  +   511d ago
It's not. It has a metallic strip specifically so it can't slip through a metal detector.
Rooted_Dust  +   511d ago
There is already a law against producing an undetectable firearm. The metal strip they put into the gun, along with the nail firing pin makes the gun detectable and legal.
Speed-Racer  +   511d ago
@Rooted - Your point being? Isn't that why I mentioned the point about the metal strip being included?
Gondee  +   511d ago
Parents are going to have to keep their 3d printers locked up!! lol
Korda  +   511d ago
I like how the first picture on the site for it has a broken trigger. The thing is likely to blow up in the face of the first person to try and shoot one.
Erudito87  +   511d ago
absolutely disgusting
hazelamy  +   511d ago
this is soooo not what the people who came up with these 3d printers had in mind.

i'd bet making weapons was definitely not on the list of uses they envisioned for this technology.
Veni Vidi Vici  +   511d ago
All I can think of when I see this story everywhere is that movie In the Line of Fire. The bad guy created a plastic gun so he could get it through metal detectors. That's exactly what this is. Not only is there no way to register or keep track of these, there's no way to keep them out of events, airports, etc. The bullets are much easier to hide and get through check points. The guns were the hard part; now that's eliminated.

Anyone who thinks this is great and helps people is a moron. It's not practical for anything but terrorists. No one will hunt with it. There's no reason to use it for self defense when you can/should just use a real gun that can shoot multiple rounds. I honestly can't understand why anyone would defend this kind of stupidity.

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