BGR - Another day, another Apple (AAPL) vs. Samsung (005930) trial. The two consumer electronics companies are preparing to do battle in San Jose, California next week, and now-public court documents shed light on the positions each firm is taking. On Tuesday, Apple told Samsung exactly what it thinks its technology patents are worth (spoiler: barely anything at all), and subsequent filings from Samsung reveal that the South Korea-based company has a few choice words for Apple as well.
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At least from time to time they bring us something new that works without having to wait a year or 2 'till all the updates have been delivered.
Maybe you like having your weekly os-update or after an os-install having to download like 85 updates before anything works in a decent way ?
Still waiting for something really new from Samsung. Monitors & TV's: Samsung threw themself on the market when all the competitors had invested a lot of money to bring lcd/led in the living room. Same story on the smartphone/tablet market. I wouldn't care if they dissapeared because I'm not waiting on something new from these copycats, never did, and I'm affraid it will never happen.
from the first Mp3 player
and the first tablet
and from windows based touch screen phones
and palm phones
stolen tech from sony
and samsung
and sharp and so on.
its like once you make something mainstream you are the owner in this day and age.
you cant even make a song in todays times with a copyrighted drum snare with out being taken to court.
Just because someone does something first, doesn't mean they do it the best.
What Apple does is they look at technology and see if they can make it their own and bring it into their own "realm" of devices.
For example; had the Samsung Galaxy come out before the iPhone, and was just as amazing and everything. I'd personally as an Apple fan, or someone in the Apple world prefer the iPhone simply because of how it can work with the rest of all my Apple products. the complaint that people have with copying would result in (this hypothetical situation) the iPhone not existing or being banned, and I'd personally think its not fair, why should I have to suffer using a phone that isn't compatible with my world of tech, simply because another company is claiming the right to technology, which in the end belongs to all of us. Yes Apple does sue for patent infringement, but for a different reason, because of profit, but they don't want other companies trying to and then fail to execute it properly. or fuck it up altogether.
Admittedly Apple can be just a furious, like Banning the Galaxy, which i personally disagree with, but in the end the world of Apple products work tougher with far more superiority than a lot of major companies. Sony has started with their HomeShare devices, but its very shitty in comparison to Apples AirPlay.
Simply, when you do something right, you get recognized, its why Android, scrapped its idea of a blackberry inspired OS to an iOS inspired OS.
Its also why people say "everyones copying Apple" and not the other way around, cuz they exactly what they're doing. People just need to open there eyes, see beyond the price, look where it goes, feel the quality of the product, and then judge, does it really matter, who did what first?
really ? ever 'worked' with one ?
I called it a concrete tile... > 1kg (Compaq ST1100), battery 4h, winXP...
You know, if you wanted to correct me, you could have simply done so without being so rude and calling names. I'm not someone who will argue against something logical endlessly and blindly.
If there is no iPad then there wont be any Galaxy Tabs.
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their gullible yuppies into believing their tech is superior and first to do this and that.
this is a dangerous game for every point you make there are several counter points and different actions that could have happened.
go back to the 90s
no mp3s =
no ipod =
no music industry like today =
no advances in technology like we have today since the key sequence of events leading to today tech haven't happened and never will from this point.
no iphone =
touch screens not taking off in the world. =
no ds
no 3ds
no ipad =
no wii u
no hipsters =
no starbucks =
no free wifi standards
... I can go on for days
@SJIND Apple did not make the 1st MP3 player or Tablet. I remember getting my 1st MP3 player that had a total of 32mb of storage and could fit 11 songs on it and it was in 1998 it was called the Rio PMP300 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... and im sure this was the 2nd or 3rd mp3 player to hit the market at the time. this was back in 1998 the Ipod did not hit the market until late 2001 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... yes the Ipod has sold more than any other mp3 player but it was not the 1st.
Its also the same for the Ipad and even the Mouse was not invented by Apple which they claim( http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
At the end of the day people and companys take other peoples ideas and try and make them better.
Windows Mobile was the closest thing to come to a pocket pc but it was too messy and apple looked at it and made a basic version which only offered some of thing basic functions of a pc designed around touch and it paid off for them. It left everyone playing catchup but now both Windows Phone 7/8 and Android have over taken the IOS in terms of how it works and ease of use and what it offers that Apple now need to think of a new Idea but they are not doing that they have just decided to try and hurt sales of rivals which in the end is going to hurt them. Apple are becoming what Microsoft were in 2000 and Microsoft and goggle have change the way they work and because of this it will start to pay off for them and if Apple don't look to change thins they will lose there market share over the next few years in Tablet and Phones.
samsung make this work and take apple out!
@satish
"Stole tons of ideas, you know because apparently you're not allowed to improve on someone else's idea. Just because someone does something first, doesn't mean they do it the best."
this sentence right here is the problem with Apple.
Samsung, HTC, Nokia were all doing mobile handsets for years while Apple were struggling in the PC market.
Suddenly Apple comes in "improves" on others ideas (like you said) and are now suing Samsung (the one who had the idea in the first place). seems fair to you?
other comments above are saying without apple there be no mp3 players. Sony walkman says hi. touch screens werent mainstream, sony erricson P800/P900/P910i all say hi.
Apple fans need to go back and google all of Apples ideas to see if they came up with the idea first. the answer is no. but Apple are suing the actual creators. If Apple were such tech gurus like they have you believe, wouldnt they have managed to topple microsoft in all the years they been in the PC market?
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Maybe Apple just paid for what they are using ?
Everybody is allowed to bring out a tablet but has to pay the price that other companies invested (or acquired) in R&D, marketing.
Last year for my uni project I had to make a pitch to Apple regarding a new iphone concept. We went with an all sided touch screen concept.
To make that all sided touch screen and its various functions we had to research a bunch of stuff and in doing so we realized samsung owned most of the tech out there, from touch tech to screens, communication tech, memory, battery etc etc
After all that research we strongly felt 'Why are we pitching this to Apple then?'
To me this looks like America trying to steal oil all over again. I can sense the disagrees but I cant disagree with the truth. Anyone doubtful just look it up. Also MS has more tech than Apple too in touch screen, tablet concepts etc, well way before apple.
"To me this looks like America trying to steal oil all over again."
I do not think its that, but i do think America need's to really review their Patent System of Law and really take a look at what Patents they have allowed. for example:
Resistive touch screen:
http://www.ti.com/lit/an/sl...
THIS WAS IN 2005 well before Apple and if you do not really think people have used their finger on them when their stylus was not handy? really?
did you know that resistive screen's can be Multi-touch also?
I mean Hell look who created them:
E.A. Johnson described his work on capacitive touch screens in a short article published in 1965 and then more fully—along with photographs and diagrams—in an article published in 1967. A description of the applicability of the touch technology for air traffic control was described in an article published in 1968.
in my opinion it comes down to the big problem with the USA. patent system and it is what has been an abuse from many people and companies.
the issue is
one is a patent of design what samsung is saying the other is patent of concept what Apple is saying..can you tell which patent is far too reaching?
Now that is a really big issue. For eg: there are only a few ways to apply toothpaste what if two of the ways of applying toothpaste is owned by a company and the other ways which may not be very practical are open to use then it limits our choices and thus monopoly comes into play.
In this case the phone UI, touch systems, swiping the screen etc etc I mean come on swiping the screen is so normal but if companies start making things like these an issue then its bad.
I mean every one of us know the red button or the big most obvious button on the top left/right corner of a tv remote is the power button. What if every company had to make a unique one and we had hundreds of remotes, power buttons would be of all shapes, colour,sizes and positioned all over the remote (not very practical)
Things like this should not be patented. Also words and names or any word from the dictionary should not be patented according to me.
Apple is dictating how touch screens shoudl work etc n such but there are only limited ways, and we have only 10 fingers and are built in a particular manner.
What apple can fight about is the tech alone which is fair, but if its only about tech then Apple will lose to Samsung as they have helped innovate majority of the tech that exists today in phones, tv's and a bunch of other things.
There isn't one "single" phone that sells as much as the iPhone and there isn't one "single" tablet that sells as much as the iPad. There for what they're doing must be right.
They say Android has more Market share than iOS. Well they have probably close to 100 or more different phones running Android compared to iOS with just iPhones. How can you compare Android an "open" OS environment to a closed iOS environment? It's just dumb.
well nobody told Apple to keep their OS to themselves. Google got MOTO but share their OS with other manufacturers. Apple doesnt even sell it desktop OS on its own. wasnt OSX? get a MAC.
"I think Apple says Samsung copies them not about who had it "first" but who copied cues from the best. "
All the iphones tech is copied from samsung. some would say Apple improved what samsung had, but the point is how can you sue someone who had the ideas before you did.
"All the iphones tech is copied from samsung. some would say Apple improved what samsung had, but the point is how can you sue someone who had the ideas before you did."
exactly: that i think is the core issue, what Apple is sueing for is that of a "concept" on how it interact's, not why this design is the way it is.
because if they chose the Why this design is the way it is, they could not claim infringement. the USA patent issued a "concept" patent. which I think is far too reaching to even be really enforceable, due to the fact that Apple is trying to say every touch based smartphone other than Apple's would have to pay Apple for the concept of how they use the Touchscreen.
thus one only has to look at the recent ruleing of the HTC case that Apple put forward to HTC about the Menu system.
Here read this:
http://www.slashgear.com/ap...
that was a "concept" Menu system patent
that is what the problem really is, for Apple or any one company to get a "concept" patent the USA needs in my opinion to really review what they issue a patent for no matter how big or small the company is.
example some one designs a chair, and than some else add's a 3rd leg to the chair but instead of a design they say "anyone who add's a 3rd leg" to the chair has to pay me no matter how they add it or where.
even if it look's not the same as my concept, its still adding a 3rd leg.